Crime & Punishment

If your idea was put in to action, you'd be the first to go. Be careful what you wish for.

I love that idea! No more eve for me! Wait what? Pffft.... Most of eve would be right behind me.

I think that the reasons for the non-petition clause in the code are A: Roleplay and B: That out of the many many petitions filed against the New Order, not one has resulted in a GM saying that the New Order is violating either the spirit or terms of the EULA. From what I can gather 100% of the petitions have resulted in the petition being closed with no GM actions, often with a message from the GM concerned that bumping with the aim of extortion is not griefing or harassment.

The whole Miner Code is a little tongue in cheek even if it is wrapped in the kind of rhetoric you would expect from a rabid politician, it's an excellent example of RP being incorporated into the game to it's fullest extent. You don't have to agree with what is being done with the bumping mechanic, but there's no denying that it has added to the otherwise bland flavour of hisec and sparked a heated debate on many occasions, both in local and on the forums.

Terrible is how we roll, surely as a member of an alliance that claims to be diabolically terrible at Eve, even though you manage to pretty much trample all over your opposition, you would appreciate this

Some of us are former hisec monkeys, we're learning as we go, my bumping alt is probably the worst bumper/suicide ganker (tends to shoot his load early ) of all the members of the new order, the miners that try to counter bump are even worse than I am

This bumping being a problem is a joke, so far I found the easyst way is to avoid the one or so systems they are in. Having gone to the one system they are in, orbiting a roid at 500m is a sure way to make it hard, orbiting a large roid in the middle of other ones at 500m so far as warded away all attempts from multiple people in navy thrashers and whatnot. With new minning ships revision like retriever and mak you get a super large orehold, you are free to move without any care for the hour or half it takes to fill your hold.



Thats right, dedicated effort thwarted by a autopilot around a asteroid, I can read a book while evading this 'pandemic'

To avoid this harassment and humiliation for a whole year, all you need to do is send 10mil isk to an agent.

And if nullsec renters don't follow the rules they get booted out. via the clone bay if necessary. There's no real difference; one is null and one is highsec, but it's still a force controlling space, dictating what those who are permitted to be there must / can't do. The very essence of Eve.

Botting is far less rampant than it was say 3 years ago, in literally every aspect of EVE. Is it possible to catch every thing, all the time? No.

Take into consideration for a moment that this game we all love to play is CCP's business, and they do their best to treat it as such- just remember everything they devote dev hours to away from fixing bugs, development in general, game design, etc; is a time investment that doesn't have a revenue increase attached to it, and when it comes to botting it's actually a DECREASE in their revenue from lost accounts.

I say bravo for doing it in the first place, other games MIGHT net you a 3 day ban if caught (Except Blizzard who will ban you for practically anything I hear).




Actually it's not gankers being mad because of 'tear harvesting' an activity that regardless of changes will never go away, unless this game is changed so radically that it isn't even EVE anymore (which is a direction it sometimes veers towards). It's players being mad because these 'simple' changes affect much, much more of the actual gameplay of EVE than 'Hurr I can mine without being bumped'. I can't believe something so simple as failing to orbit an asteroid has spawned this abomination of a thread.



The harassment line in EVE has always been drawn pretty much at releasing RL information about pilots, RL threats or some other hilarious act that spills into Real Life. I hear telling/encouraging a pilot to kill himself on a live webcast is a bad thing.



I don't read James315's blogs (or really even know who this person is), I have also never been to minerbumping.com or any of it's affiliate/similar websites; and while I have committed every single act of what could be considered 'griefing', 'harassment', 'scamming', and even 'exploiting' by a silly battleship pilot that didn't understand what a Neut was (literally petitioned me for using 'GODMODE HAX'). Everything I have done, in every engagement has been within the original vision of what EVE was in the eyes of CCP.

Miners? Ganked 1000's over the years, and participated in every Hulkageddon since I read Helicity's first post announcing the event the first time in 2009. (I miss the old forums and CCP Zymurgist).

Mission Runners? I literally used to PLEX my accounts ganking pimped out mission boats in Motsu before the 'mission equalization patch

Freighters? Still an active member of the Ministry of Love.

Player Events? My favorite. Even managed to round up about 200 angry TEST nerds in Armor HACs to smear poop all over Marlona Sky's 'Flight of a Thousand Rifters' event.

Was bumping a critical in all of these endeavors? Absolutely.

Want to mine in peace without being bumped? Orbit a 'roid at 1000m, which will also make you more difficult to gank.

Want to run missions in your pimped out boat? Don't use full racks of officer mods, there really is no reason for this; if you lose a 50b Faction Battleship or T3 the only person you have to blame is yourself.

Want to move things through Empire space in relative peace, boredom, and harmony? Limit your load, double wrap everything, when in doubt use a courier contract to one of the many empire groups that are into this kind of thing.



The solutions to not make yourself a target (again from someone that has engaged in these activities for years) is really that simple. Why should CCP patch or mod out key elements of the game because you're lazy and/or ignorant?

With regards to the discussion on whether ship collisions should result in damage...

Physical accuracy (having in-game entities accurately conform to the laws of physics) is not, in itself, a good reason to change a game mechanic. Once upon a time, when the stars were young, missiles fired at a target would strike any intervening objects in its path, instead of passing through them. In highsec, missiles fired at your enemy would inadvertently strike a station or gate and give you GCC. It was physically accurate, but obviously a poor game mechanic.

All of these paragraphs with hasty calculations of momentum and kinetic energy are distracting, at best. If you are going to advocate for more realistic collisions, you need to demonstrate that they would improve the gameplay experience.

true, I am not a botter, and more of a hobbyist miner. So it might affect botters most (or the easily intimidated/stupid). But thinking about it, most of what is lost for botters, is what, part of one day of mining on a few chars, if they have allot of chars (whole fleet like I hear some people do) over all they will either outlast the bumpers or outnumber them. If they are botting, unlikely they will pay isk or notice, or look at local chat.

Agreed this 'problem' is much about nothing, I had to go out of my way to call them to me while in the one system they were in, logged out, came back a bit latter and they left.