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Rogue drones, and their deficiencies

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gfldex
#21 - 2011-10-20 15:58:26 UTC  |  Edited by: gfldex
CCP Spitfire wrote:
Thank you for the feedback. How would you feel about this idea?


So what are the metrics? How much of all minerals comes from drones? If it's more then 5% it's a big can of worms. At the other hand removing a source of mega and zydrine from empire is very welcome in my books. How about making a difference between belt and complex/mission drones?

The biggest problem I see with changing all drones from mins to ISK is that mineral compression was nerfed and replaced with a completely pointless system. If you go for changing all drones to ISK you have to change the Rorqual compression from ore to mins at the same time. In that case I would look at fuel consumption as well. Have a small (in volume) fuel thingy that is made from heavy water and all isotopes. That would give a good boost to ice mining. You can then go and fiddle with rare ice to provide more heavy water. So you get a nice flow of income between 0.0 ice mining and low min mining in empire that goes back to compressed mins that can go back to 0.0 .

Since you can only compress with a rorqual you would give smallish corps a reason to use one in lowsec to compress the mins for 0.0 dwellers.

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Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2011-10-20 17:05:40 UTC
Hm. The ONLY good thing about drone regions is the ability for its resident alliances to build. There's nothing else. Even exploration is broken (drone mag sites require codebreakers hah!!!)

So by taking away the drone goo, this will definitely remove the major source of building materials for these alliances, negating the sole benefit of being in these regions in the first place. And to top it all off, yes, your min prices will go up, so will everything else, making pvp that much more expensive.
Khan D'Amarr
Doomheim
#23 - 2011-10-20 18:50:31 UTC
Sri Bolyn wrote:
Regarding Rogue Drones and their worth, why not:

1) Have a massive one off Rogue Drone Incursion (potentially with several live events).

2) During this incursion Rogue Drones go from a far off menace in the eyes of the Empires to an imminent threat and Concord applies the appropriate bounties.

3) Assuming the drones are defeated (wink wink) they fall back to the Drone regions to assess the related data. The first conclusion they come to is that the material they drop would be better served being processed into more weapons and mods for their own war effort. Now they would have similar drops to "normal rats".

4) This gives CCP the opportunity to change Rogue Drones in a way that makes sense and more importantly will be seen as fun (to some).

5) Appropriate faction loot would have to be developed...Drone mods etc...

Thx for reading



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Mirak Nijoba
Gamers Corner
#24 - 2011-10-20 19:07:44 UTC
Sri Bolyn wrote:
Regarding Rogue Drones and their worth, why not:

1) Have a massive one off Rogue Drone Incursion (potentially with several live events).

2) During this incursion Rogue Drones go from a far off menace in the eyes of the Empires to an imminent threat and Concord applies the appropriate bounties.

3) Assuming the drones are defeated (wink wink) they fall back to the Drone regions to assess the related data. The first conclusion they come to is that the material they drop would be better served being processed into more weapons and mods for their own war effort. Now they would have similar drops to "normal rats".

4) This gives CCP the opportunity to change Rogue Drones in a way that makes sense and more importantly will be seen as fun (to some).

5) Appropriate faction loot would have to be developed...Drone mods etc...

Thx for reading


They would still be Drone Sized and at most a Frigate / Fighter Sized Craft - Swarms of them.

draconothese
Independant Celestial Enterprises
#25 - 2011-10-20 19:14:38 UTC
to be honest i think drone space needs a nerf even less drops
Strongo
#26 - 2011-10-20 19:21:32 UTC
I would have to say keep rethinking, drones were place their for reason to be different, think you need to look other places to change or improve it some way else. Allow more ore in belts, less to upgrade it's drones. Maybe place NPC, race in their like every were else their is.
Skullair
Dead Hooker Storage
#27 - 2011-10-20 19:52:07 UTC
Well instead of just selling the minrals u can make around 5%+profit building some ships in this game even more for the flavors of the mounth in null 10-15% so over selling ou use the mats to build stuff ur hourly income would roughly go up 10% and if your really smart and sell on weekends u can make 20%.... So use the minrals how there ment to be used and the income is blanced a lot more then first glance look

DRF buys mats ... Builds supers.... Space Jews buy supers at 30% hike of price = good bussniess plan

Tradering = Profting off of people being lazy....

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uglybass
Spatial Idiocity Inc.
#28 - 2011-10-20 23:23:59 UTC
Only reason I could support this, Is that it MAY have affect on mineral values which are dragging at insurance level.
Mineral values werent allways this low, I suppose you could see posts here demanding nerf on drone regions back on those days...Something good turning into something bad doesnt allways require balancing actions.
zxsteel
#29 - 2011-10-21 14:30:32 UTC  |  Edited by: zxsteel
Maybe for the best, but remember you made this space to be different from other area's. Just because one group moved in to area and had plans to use it don't mean you should nerf, it down. Shocked


Why not look at other places in eve to make more differet, no space should go to waste! More fighting!
Start looking at making other area from bounties to other cool things!

Drones - POO
unknown - Bounties?

Why not somthing else?
CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#30 - 2011-10-21 14:35:26 UTC
Still here, reading feedback and passing it on. Please keep the discussion going. Smile

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#31 - 2011-10-21 15:06:21 UTC
putting bounties on drones is so "generic".

why not make the stuff they already drop usefull in a unique way?

the drone-AI thingies for example. Combine it with your drone and you get a better drone (new eve feature).
for a kick ass drone you will need sleeper AI which should be quite rare. (customisable t3 drones?)

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Adunh Slavy
#32 - 2011-10-21 16:19:18 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
putting bounties on drones is so "generic".


Yeah, and enough ISK in Eve as it is. Something unique to drone region drones, that every one would like to have, but do not need to have would be good.

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CCP Soundwave
C C P
C C P Alliance
#33 - 2011-10-21 16:23:49 UTC
I'm considering putting bounties on them and turning them into normal rats.

I hate gunmining with a passion.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#34 - 2011-10-21 16:33:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
CCP Soundwave wrote:
I'm considering putting bounties on them and turning them into normal rats.

I hate gunmining with a passion.



More ISK faucet = Where is ISK Sink?



I'm sure the DRF would be very happy with this - but does that make DRF space more valuable than it was before, noticeably? (Not judgement of quality as much as effect of such a change)


For all drones? DR Drones?



I think all NPCs need to be smarter too ;p


I hate the idea of ISK pinatas (as much as they are necessary for an isk faucet). I think the Incursion/Sleeper features although still "solvable" provide a more real challenge.

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Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#35 - 2011-10-21 16:37:33 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
I'm considering putting bounties on them and turning them into normal rats.

I hate gunmining with a passion.


That would make the drone regions very much like any other region. And add more ISK to the economy. Does EVE need bland ISK faucets ramping up inflation? Have a chat with your resident economist.

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Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#36 - 2011-10-21 16:44:25 UTC
gfldex wrote:
CCP Spitfire wrote:
Thank you for the feedback. How would you feel about this idea?


So what are the metrics? How much of all minerals comes from drones? If it's more then 5% it's a big can of worms. At the other hand removing a source of mega and zydrine from empire is very welcome in my books. How about making a difference between belt and complex/mission drones?


Back at fanfest this year I seem to recall CCP's economist say something about mins imported from the Drone Regions have a large impact on mineral markets. So yes, its non-trivial.

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Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2011-10-21 17:21:38 UTC
Tags in the form of salvage and/or tech 2 components?

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gfldex
#38 - 2011-10-21 17:23:51 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
I hate gunmining with a passion.


That's a surprisingly sound reasoning. Don't let Hilmar see this, he is trigger happy these days.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#39 - 2011-10-21 17:39:52 UTC
DR belt drones I think needs to remain the same.

However the mission and site drones I can see happening with bounties an injection of regular loot balanced with goo.

However... This would mean that morphite is off the shelf of loot for npcs. So unless we start making npc drop tech 2 loot You may have to consider getting rid of morphite for drones as well.

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Callic Veratar
#40 - 2011-10-21 17:45:23 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
I'm considering putting bounties on them and turning them into normal rats.

I hate gunmining with a passion.


I like the idea of starting up small rogue drone incursion-like-events, giving CONCORD a reason to put bounty on them. Something that can put incursion effects on a system for an hour or two, but occurs more rapidly and randomly. (Maybe an NPC drone mining fleet?)
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