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Delay of the CREST beta for developers

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Desmont McCallock
#21 - 2012-08-05 18:17:32 UTC
The only prob I see with corp CAK's is the denial of data access to ppl that are accountant or factory managers. IMO it's not hard to change that. Adding an additional option to allow access to those ppl would do the trick, but CCP has abandoned any development to the current API system in favor of CREST.
Dino Boff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-09-09 11:35:43 UTC
Any updates? Just deploying Oauth on its own first and as soon as possible would be great. It will finally give a way to authenticate eve player*. If it would give have access to the classic API as well and not just the CREST API, that would give us a better way to query API keys from users.


*it would allow us to link eve accounts to other forms of authentication.
CCP Seagull
C C P
C C P Alliance
#23 - 2012-09-13 08:47:38 UTC
Sorry for the radio silence, we're juggling a lot of dates and plans around at the moment.

We are gearing up to get CREST and our Auth service to a test server soon(tm) so that you can all get a real sense for how to develop against CREST APIs. As soon as I have a more locked down concrete plan I'll post a better update.

Senior Producer, EVE Online Development CCP Games Reykjavik

Evanova Android
Traquenard Labs
#24 - 2012-09-15 00:46:02 UTC
CCP Seagull wrote:
Sorry for the radio silence, we're juggling a lot of dates and plans around at the moment.

We are gearing up to get CREST and our Auth service to a test server soon(tm) so that you can all get a real sense for how to develop against CREST APIs. As soon as I have a more locked down concrete plan I'll post a better update.


I am not in a hurry Big smile

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MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-09-19 20:41:56 UTC
is this the stuff that will let us use 3rd pary programs to set skills and do more in game stuff out of game? If not then who cares?

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#26 - 2012-09-19 20:44:41 UTC
That's what Crest /may/ be.

It's all about what they decide to open up.

and who you trust with read/write access to your account.

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Khorkrak
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-09-20 17:11:45 UTC
Word on whether the EVE API functions, especially getting killlogs, will be reimplemented and made available via CREST would be appreciated.

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TornSoul
BIG
#28 - 2012-10-20 21:26:37 UTC
CCP Seagull wrote:
Sorry for the radio silence, we're juggling a lot of dates and plans around at the moment.
.


It's been a month - Radio broken? Big smile
CCP Seagull
C C P
C C P Alliance
#29 - 2012-10-22 09:25:27 UTC
Yup, radio is a bit broken - sorry about that. We are aiming for shipping CREST to you with the EVE winter release, and test it on a public test server before that, but we are still wrangling a bunch of details before I can promise things. There will be a full devblog on this once we announce what we're doing, including the Developer License stuff.

/CCP Seagull

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#30 - 2012-10-22 09:50:23 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
is this the stuff that will let us use 3rd pary programs to set skills and do more in game stuff out of game? If not then who cares?


Steve Ronuken wrote:
That's what Crest /may/ be.

It's all about what they decide to open up.

and who you trust with read/write access to your account.


I think that the issues for CCP when they decide what they want/dare to open isn't 100% down to pure technical stuff and what they can do in a safe manner on their side.

Imagine that CCP opens up to allow us to change skills or market orders or something like that.

Then someone codes a nifty 3:rd party tool to make it real easy for everyone to twiddle their skills or orders or whatever from their phone.

Now imagine that there was a serious flaw in that tool, that for some reason (either by mistake or intentionally ) messed up skills/orders for hundreds of players.

Creating a serious amount of quite angry users.

Is there anyone who thinks that those miffed users would limit themselves to blame the 3:rd party coder (or themselves for trusting him/her/it)?

Of course not, CCP would be flooded in pure vitriol via any channel that is available (and possibly some new ones).

And valid complaints or not, there are lots of more or less serious sites around the world that happily would crank out article after article covering the drama and demanding, or rather DEMANDING!!!, that CCP explains why they allowed such an atrocity to happen.

So I'm afraid that the project that CCP Seagull has been blessed with isn't a very easy one to manoeuvre through either technical or internal policy waters :/

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

TornSoul
BIG
#31 - 2012-10-25 21:04:18 UTC
CCP Seagull wrote:
We are aiming for shipping CREST to you with the EVE winter release, and test it on a public test server before that

That is actually sooner than I was starting to expect.


CCP Seagull wrote:

There will be a full devblog on this once we announce what we're doing, including the Developer License stuff.

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Artem Valiant
NecroRise Squadron
Galaxy Spiritus
#32 - 2012-10-26 05:15:56 UTC
I can't wait to integrate it in Neocom for iOS.
Shellac Brookdale
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
#33 - 2012-11-15 12:13:11 UTC
I have this little feeling CREST wont make it into the winter expansion.
Desmont McCallock
#34 - 2012-11-15 12:34:55 UTC
CCP Seagull wrote:
We are aiming for shipping CREST to you with the EVE winter release,...
/CCP Seagull

Aiming doesn't guarantee a hit. So keep your hopes down.
Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
#35 - 2012-11-15 13:53:54 UTC
Desmont McCallock wrote:
CCP Seagull wrote:
We are aiming for shipping CREST to you with the EVE winter release,...
/CCP Seagull

Aiming doesn't guarantee a hit. So keep your hopes down.

especially since there is already tests for the winter release but no CREST test available..

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CCP Seagull
C C P
C C P Alliance
#36 - 2012-11-15 17:34:52 UTC
The code for it is definitely going out with Retribution, the question is then when we will turn it on for Tranquility. A pretty hefty devblog is written and currently in the publishing pipeline - because this also introduces the new Developer License, and we've had some... issues.. in the past when it comes to that (99 dollars and all that) I want to be pretty careful with this. And then the technical release itself is a pretty serious deal - we don't take giving read/write access to Tranquility lightly.

While I can't promise as usual, as there are factors outside my control, don't lose all hope yet - but also know that the formal launch date of CREST on Tranquility is not tied to being the 4th of December - we will test on a test server until we feel confident to flip the TQ switch, once the code is out with Retribution.

Senior Producer, EVE Online Development CCP Games Reykjavik

Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2012-11-15 23:56:00 UTC
CCP Seagull wrote:
The code for it is definitely going out with Retribution, the question is then when we will turn it on for Tranquility. A pretty hefty devblog is written and currently in the publishing pipeline - because this also introduces the new Developer License, and we've had some... issues.. in the past when it comes to that (99 dollars and all that) I want to be pretty careful with this. And then the technical release itself is a pretty serious deal - we don't take giving read/write access to Tranquility lightly.

While I can't promise as usual, as there are factors outside my control, don't lose all hope yet - but also know that the formal launch date of CREST on Tranquility is not tied to being the 4th of December - we will test on a test server until we feel confident to flip the TQ switch, once the code is out with Retribution.


This will usher in the next generation of ....emergent gameplay. I can't wait.

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killallnerds exe
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-11-16 00:12:45 UTC
Is there anything concrete AT ALL as to what you are going to allow developers access beyond what is already available on the current V2 api.
CCP Seagull
C C P
C C P Alliance
#39 - 2012-11-16 00:17:54 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Seagull
killallnerds exe wrote:
Is there anything concrete AT ALL as to what you are going to allow developers access beyond what is already available on the current V2 api.


First release is read/write for contacts. After we are stable, we'll be releasing other features along with the normal EVE release cadence. It's up to EVE game design and product folks to decide what those features should be, so I can't answer that from my tech point of view.

Senior Producer, EVE Online Development CCP Games Reykjavik

Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
#40 - 2012-11-16 13:31:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Peter Powers
CCP Seagull wrote:
The code for it is definitely going out with Retribution, the question is then when we will turn it on for Tranquility. A pretty hefty devblog is written and currently in the publishing pipeline - because this also introduces the new Developer License, and we've had some... issues.. in the past when it comes to that (99 dollars and all that) I want to be pretty careful with this. And then the technical release itself is a pretty serious deal - we don't take giving read/write access to Tranquility lightly.

While I can't promise as usual, as there are factors outside my control, don't lose all hope yet - but also know that the formal launch date of CREST on Tranquility is not tied to being the 4th of December - we will test on a test server until we feel confident to flip the TQ switch, once the code is out with Retribution.

so, please correct me if i got this wrong:


  1. you will put CREST on TQ but leave it disabled,
  2. we register for the license
  3. CREST will be available to us on Testserver, we will start building our first libs against CREST
  4. you monitor the impact of what we do on Testserver, and once your happy
  5. CREST will be enabled on TQ
  6. we can now start deploying apps to users that use CREST


Now, just a rough guess of time, and looking at the upcoming holidays, etc. this means we probably can start with the testserver in january, and it will be on TQ in February or March.
(hoping no marketing guy gets the great idea of delaying the tq release till fanfest)

is this a realistic estimate?

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