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Slasher88
BURN EDEN
No Therapy
#141 - 2012-10-26 21:20:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Slasher88
this is funny i checked this guys corp out and he didn't set the war that war declared on his alliance to mutual he only used that alt corp so he cannot be killed without consequence . hey bigboy if u are the pvper u say u are why don't u use your main corp for that and only a alt corp .... you come and say it's not griefieng and when ppl check u out they see a liitle bear turd with illusions of grandure ....


please explain to all the peeps in this thread why u did no use Liandri Covenant and set mutual war with them or would that interrupt your bearing too much and you would loose those 50 bils a week u need to maybe keep up your rent?
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#142 - 2012-10-26 21:22:17 UTC
dark torr wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Cynthia Nezmor wrote:
It's amazing how quickly it went from "masive fail on game designers' part, save us from the consequences of our actions" to "when you will get war ...please make mutual ".


Some people might learn something .



yeah we do .. it's clearly that CCP FAILS


just read their devblog about issue and reasons why things are how they are.
Slasher88
BURN EDEN
No Therapy
#143 - 2012-10-26 22:08:38 UTC
hey bad meesanger no reply u got wrdeced ony your main corp and u surrendered and now act high an mighty :))
the plot thickens
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#144 - 2012-10-26 22:20:08 UTC
Slasher88 wrote:
hey bad meesanger no reply u got wrdeced ony your main corp and u surrendered and now act high an mighty :))
the plot thickens


We are just carebears not any pvp players.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#145 - 2012-10-26 22:58:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
This isn't an exploit. While I disagree with BM on many things, they are using the game mechanics to their advantage. Much like how pirates use the Orca mechanic to gatecamp and GTFO when overwhelmed. As for RR being a 10 year old corp full of memories and nostalgia, CCP doesn't take sentimentality into account when trying to fix said issue. The burden falls on RR to do their homework rather than go willy nilly and join any alliance. Clearly RR didn't do their homework. Sorry to be so cold, but that's the truth.

PS - If RR can't negotiate with BM, then just dec his entire alliance and see what happens. Liandri has a 33% KB efficiency. There's so many ways you can force this issue, even if it's through warfare than diplomacy. There are ways to resolve the issue if you want to join an alliance that badly. This is New Eden; Might Makes Right.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#146 - 2012-10-26 23:32:07 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
This isn't an exploit. While I disagree with BM on many things, they are using the game mechanics to their advantage. Much like how pirates use the Orca mechanic to gatecamp and GTFO when overwhelmed. As for RR being a 10 year old corp full of memories and nostalgia, CCP doesn't take sentimentality into account when trying to fix said issue. The burden falls on RR to do their homework rather than go willy nilly and join any alliance. Clearly RR didn't do their homework. Sorry to be so cold, but that's the truth.

PS - If RR can't negotiate with BM, then just dec his entire alliance and see what happens. Liandri has a 33% KB efficiency. There's so many ways you can force this issue, even if it's through warfare than diplomacy. There are ways to resolve the issue if you want to join an alliance that badly. This is New Eden; Might Makes Right.


Sure i am ready to negotiate about terms of surrender, but it seems that our vision about how much is proper amount of isk is so much different that they can not accept it.

They do not realise that potential income for EMPE in time of that war was about 1600b so couple millions for ending war seems pretty pathetic amount of isk compared to potetial damage taken.

Also their participation on alliance who wardecs own militia is not any reason to lower demands either.
dark torr
FCSB
ROMANIAN-LEGION
#147 - 2012-10-26 23:45:44 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
This isn't an exploit. While I disagree with BM on many things, they are using the game mechanics to their advantage. Much like how pirates use the Orca mechanic to gatecamp and GTFO when overwhelmed. As for RR being a 10 year old corp full of memories and nostalgia, CCP doesn't take sentimentality into account when trying to fix said issue. The burden falls on RR to do their homework rather than go willy nilly and join any alliance. Clearly RR didn't do their homework. Sorry to be so cold, but that's the truth.

PS - If RR can't negotiate with BM, then just dec his entire alliance and see what happens. Liandri has a 33% KB efficiency. There's so many ways you can force this issue, even if it's through warfare than diplomacy. There are ways to resolve the issue if you want to join an alliance that badly. This is New Eden; Might Makes Right.


Sure i am ready to negotiate about terms of surrender, but it seems that our vision about how much is proper amount of isk is so much different that they can not accept it.

They do not realise that potential income for EMPE in time of that war was about 1600b so couple millions for ending war seems pretty pathetic amount of isk compared to potetial damage taken.

Also their participation on alliance who wardecs own militia is not any reason to lower demands either.



what time of war ??? they are not in militia since the day war started ,they moved back to 0.0
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#148 - 2012-10-27 04:32:34 UTC
dark torr wrote:
what time of war ??? they are not in militia since the day war started ,they moved back to 0.0


Incorrect. They were in militia for 5 days and participated in war against Nasranite Watch.
Dan Carter Murray
#149 - 2012-10-27 05:02:05 UTC
ALL YOUR BITCHING BELONG TO US.

oh and um...why not just pay the 50mil that bad messenger offered you?

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OsirisShi
ROMANIA Renegades.
#150 - 2012-10-27 07:06:26 UTC  |  Edited by: OsirisShi
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
ALL YOUR BITCHING BELONG TO US.

oh and um...why not just pay the 50mil that bad messenger offered you?


I think u cant see well they want 50 bils lol for this 50 bils i promis u a beat the **** of u.
Tosi
Teurastamo
#151 - 2012-10-27 10:08:57 UTC
I find this 50b very reasonable. Considering that's basicly not even 10% of the isk you could have made in fw in those 5 days you were in happy endings.
Doddy
Excidium.
#152 - 2012-10-27 10:10:46 UTC
teroarea wrote:
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Antares 04 wrote:
The problem appeared after RR had been persuaded to leave the alliance, (apparently they did not do so out of fear of some 10-man corp) because once they had done so they were still at war with the 10-man corp, and that corp then made the war mutual.


Actually I might be mistaken here but the war was mutual to begin with and the moment RR left alliance on their own, they were permanently saddled with it. I did see some surrender offer but I think it was 3m isk or 300k isk so I assumed it was just a trolling attempt.

Antares 04 wrote:
You have been around for to long to be broken by this issue. Nor should you give your 'targets' the satisfaction of ruining your enjoyment.


You do understand that they declared war on us with intent of breaking us and ruining our enjoyment. Not other way around. Why should we feel bad for 200 man corp attempting to make war on 10 man corp?



When an alliance declares war , the lider of an alliance doesnt ask each corporation in part if they whant to join the war, he just acts , but Romanian Renegades didnt whant this war, not beause we had a problem fighting this war , just becasue we had other plans and not our corporation declared war against them, we just waked up with this war even if we left Happty Endings, this is only CCP game mechanics


So you joined a crap alliance, isn't that your fault?
dark torr
FCSB
ROMANIAN-LEGION
#153 - 2012-10-27 10:38:53 UTC  |  Edited by: dark torr
Yuri Intaki wrote:
dark torr wrote:
what time of war ??? they are not in militia since the day war started ,they moved back to 0.0


Incorrect. They were in militia for 5 days and participated in war against Nasranite Watch.



Happy Endings 2012.10.09 to 2012.10.14 and ther war started on 14 .. how the **** did they participated 5 days in war ??

You need math lessons ??? I
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#154 - 2012-10-27 11:05:50 UTC
dark torr wrote:
Yuri Intaki wrote:
dark torr wrote:
what time of war ??? they are not in militia since the day war started ,they moved back to 0.0


Incorrect. They were in militia for 5 days and participated in war against Nasranite Watch.



Happy Endings 2012.10.09 to 2012.10.14 and ther war started on 14 .. how the **** did they participated 5 days in war ??

You need math lessons ??? I


think once again
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#155 - 2012-10-27 11:45:31 UTC
dark torr wrote:
You need math lessons ??? I


You might want to look on older history where HE vs NAERY war lasted from 2012.08.31 to 2012.10.13
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#156 - 2012-10-27 13:08:32 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes?

I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable.

This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed.


It's our alt corp and we hardly remember it's existence at best of times. As said, our main corp Nasranite Watch was decced too, war lasted for weeks and you can inspect the records of how it went. for everyone included. Broken mechanic was not even triggered deliberately, it just kept going due to previous events and RR got the brunt of it for joining the alliance that decced Nasranites & Empe.

But next time if someone wants to do diplomacy with us, you really should contact Damar, not other guys. I'm actually the "good cop" who can be reasoned with Lol (Unless you are a member of froggie militia)


Best spadework ever.

"Oshit son, this is broken griefing, so better make it look totes inadvertent in case of GM's getting het up on us!"

You certainly fooled me with your concerted revelations about how you all totally forgot you had alts in a corp you used to suck up wardecs.

~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#157 - 2012-10-27 13:49:42 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes?

I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable.

This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed.


It's our alt corp and we hardly remember it's existence at best of times. As said, our main corp Nasranite Watch was decced too, war lasted for weeks and you can inspect the records of how it went. for everyone included. Broken mechanic was not even triggered deliberately, it just kept going due to previous events and RR got the brunt of it for joining the alliance that decced Nasranites & Empe.

But next time if someone wants to do diplomacy with us, you really should contact Damar, not other guys. I'm actually the "good cop" who can be reasoned with Lol (Unless you are a member of froggie militia)


Best spadework ever.

"Oshit son, this is broken griefing, so better make it look totes inadvertent in case of GM's getting het up on us!"

You certainly fooled me with your concerted revelations about how you all totally forgot you had alts in a corp you used to suck up wardecs.


GM is not getting us or they are not even interested about it, there is no exploits or exploiting on this case, everything is working as intended.
Slasher88
BURN EDEN
No Therapy
#158 - 2012-10-27 16:21:22 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes?

I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable.

This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed.


It's our alt corp and we hardly remember it's existence at best of times. As said, our main corp Nasranite Watch was decced too, war lasted for weeks and you can inspect the records of how it went. for everyone included. Broken mechanic was not even triggered deliberately, it just kept going due to previous events and RR got the brunt of it for joining the alliance that decced Nasranites & Empe.

But next time if someone wants to do diplomacy with us, you really should contact Damar, not other guys. I'm actually the "good cop" who can be reasoned with Lol (Unless you are a member of froggie militia)


Best spadework ever.

"Oshit son, this is broken griefing, so better make it look totes inadvertent in case of GM's getting het up on us!"

You certainly fooled me with your concerted revelations about how you all totally forgot you had alts in a corp you used to suck up wardecs.


GM is not getting us or they are not even interested about it, there is no exploits or exploiting on this case, everything is working as intended.



what a bounch of carebears
a alliance that is makeing ""1600b"" in a week and only flies cruises as the most expensive ships , hey bad messanger was the rent up when they war decced u and u were shivering that u might get kicked out ...
+ haveing a 35% eff makes u such a good fw alliance .....
the only thing your allaince has done is go and survivie as a parasite in the areas real fw alliances live ...
btw m8 i hope u won't use any caps in the near future we might see eachother in local and i will have a blast
Teh Nurffe
Trillium Invariant
Honorable Third Party
#159 - 2012-10-27 17:00:00 UTC
Slasher88 wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes?

I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable.

This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed.


It's our alt corp and we hardly remember it's existence at best of times. As said, our main corp Nasranite Watch was decced too, war lasted for weeks and you can inspect the records of how it went. for everyone included. Broken mechanic was not even triggered deliberately, it just kept going due to previous events and RR got the brunt of it for joining the alliance that decced Nasranites & Empe.

But next time if someone wants to do diplomacy with us, you really should contact Damar, not other guys. I'm actually the "good cop" who can be reasoned with Lol (Unless you are a member of froggie militia)


Best spadework ever.

"Oshit son, this is broken griefing, so better make it look totes inadvertent in case of GM's getting het up on us!"

You certainly fooled me with your concerted revelations about how you all totally forgot you had alts in a corp you used to suck up wardecs.


GM is not getting us or they are not even interested about it, there is no exploits or exploiting on this case, everything is working as intended.



what a bounch of carebears
a alliance that is makeing ""1600b"" in a week and only flies cruises as the most expensive ships , hey bad messanger was the rent up when they war decced u and u were shivering that u might get kicked out ...
+ haveing a 35% eff makes u such a good fw alliance .....
the only thing your allaince has done is go and survivie as a parasite in the areas real fw alliances live ...
btw m8 i hope u won't use any caps in the near future we might see eachother in local and i will have a blast



Few questions:

What does our alliance has to do with this? Bad Messenger was talking about potential income of Emperor Throne Guards

What makes you think that we care about alliance efficiency? It's already told in this thread that we are all just carebears. Also our motives to join Liandri Covenant is also explained in this thread if you care to read

This is completely out of topic but why should us fly anything larger than cruiser when our enemis are mostly flying ships rangin from frigates to cruisers? I guess you don't have slighest idea about fw. Also please keep in mind that we are carebears and we were just farming billions of isk every day thus there is no freaking reason why we would be flying bigger ships. Is this a problem for you?

and just to remind you, this whole thread is about war between RR and EMPE where RR is aggressor. Bad Messenger already told the price it would cost for RR to get rid of war. It's very simple.. They didn't accept it and now they are in everlasting war

Eve is all about decisions.. RR has made their decision

Also game is working as intended. Please read dev blog about why war mechanics are how they are
Squatdog
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#160 - 2012-10-28 06:08:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Squatdog
As we all know, the Finns are a delicate, sensitive people and Bad Messenger has obviously been deeply saddened by these acts of unprovoked aggression.

In order to make amends, the guilty party should contribute a 50b donation to his alliance, along with a five page hand-written apology for not only the emotional distress caused by their gratuitously unprovoked war-dec, but also for Romania's complicity in the Soviet War of Aggression against a peace-loving Finland.