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Just to reinforce two ideas that got buried somewhere in the last 10 pages:

1. Leave existing COs in place. If someone wants to claim a planet, make then blow up the CO and then launch one of their own. This at least allows the option of low sec PI to continue in the short term -- which is a good thing.
2. Allow anyone to use a CO, if only at a default 100% tax rate. This keeps ninja PI working and forces the choice between paying more for lots of volume or paying less for a rocket with very poor volume. Options = good.

Despite some of the implementation details that don't seem such a good idea at this time, I do applaud the spirit of the change. Conflict is good, taking power from NPCs and giving it to players is good.

Just don't create a resource (POCOs) that can be controlled but just the big boys/alliances/corps. Don't forget about the little guy. There should be a way for them to compete with the big guys.

I'll try to give a constructive flame-free negative feedback on this.

Again, instead of giving players the initiative to revive EVE's industry, the proposal goes to even more monopoly given to the corporations. That is not good. In fact, that is very bad. Until now, you could use PI in NPC 0.0 space even if you are not a member of a multiple region owning blobfest of an alliance, since you might already know that you can not place a command center on a planet in a system that is not owned by your alliance. Even lowsec was a viable solution for providing POS fuel and T2 manufacturing materials on a small to medium scale. Now, all that is gone, because as you might already know, there are alliances that are based in NPC nullsec and pirate alliances in lowsec that are just too powerful for the majority of small to medium sized corporations, not to mention an individual player.

Take, for example, something like Pandemic Legion and the current state of Amamake - the most active entrance to the Minmatar Factional Warfare zone and spread that bored blob (I mean Nyxes on gates and titans in belts bored) to a wider lowsec area monopolizing the PI production in the region. I can assure you - that will not populate lowsec and that will not make smaller entities happy.

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To the always present "This is a good ISK sink" posters: Sorry, to be the one to tell you this, but an ISK sink is the ISK that is removed from the global EVE economy - not the ISK that changes hands between individual players and corporations.
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Some final words: this NOT a good change, but I'm very glad that you have posted a public discussion about it way before the deployment. If you want more inter-player interaction to expand the sandbox and give players the possibility to prosper even if they are not members of large alliances, you'll have to find a way to give freedom to the players and limit corporate monopoly over every single industrial activity in the game. (like mentioned, inter-command center transfers between players and ways to collaborate on the planet on player-to-player level).

Btw. do you think that Gallente ice prices are scary just because of a couple of days of suicide gankings? Deploy this change to PI as a permanent feature and see what happens to the economy.

Definitely not supported.

As of 45 minutes ago, coolant was up 75% over yesterday's price, mech parts and robotics up 60%,
All are climbing rapidly on speculation, but this will put some small scale POS owners out of business.

I am betting a 300-400% increase in PI POS fuel prices 2 months after this goes live.

Alot of small scale high sec manufacturers will be out of business soon after.
Goons got what they wanted, the eradication of high sec T2 manufacture by small scale corps.

Ok. I own 2 accounts which are fully stacked with PI personnel. I am in a tiny alliance with some friends - we are having a good time, doing this and that, PI and trading, sites and mining.
I recently dipped a toe into into low sec, because I liked the higher reward that comes with the risk of getting ganked at the gates, getting found at the offices etcetc. I lost 1 sigil full of crap because there was an insta-lock gate camp which I couldn't even clear with cloak and an afterburner - but that's ok. I made more than enough money from these planets.
I was about to think about getting into WHs and set some stuff up there aswell.

Doesn't look like I'm going to leave High Sec now, does it?

Nobody ever will put up customs offices for the general public. They are so ******* expensive and can be blown up "easily". The tax-revenue from a planet is also very low, as you can't allow too many people to settle on it anyways - else the planet will just be sucked dry.

I wouldn't mind, if this crap would only happen in null and wh space, as this is basically the wild west (which I'd never enter). But lowsec is still empire. And the empire should control those offices.

To sum it up: this change will put every tiny step I made from being a TOTAL carebear to waste and leave me no other option but to stay in high.
Really, really sadface about that :(

Right.......where to start!

I currently run a small alt corp that does PI in Sydicate space, the system i do this in has a station with medical so is rather busy.

There is one large Alliance that uses this system as their base, the system always has their members present.

I have 3 characters running PI in this system, all transportation has to be done covertly and a Jumpfreighter is needed to get the goods to market.

So....... the odds of me being the person who has control of the customs office is zero, if i launch it will be destroyed by the resident Alliance ( they are like that! )

They can set the standings to allow only their alliance access or put taxes so high it is unprofitable so deniying me the oppertunity to do PI........( remember this is syndicate NPC space )

I read a blog a little while ago saying that CCP were going to make it easier for small corps or solo players to get a foothold in 0.0.........how is this PI change doing that?

I already have made a substantial investment in skills, time and isk and risk enough already i think!

I also note that all the ppl saying this is good are also the ones asking about how much HP the CO will have, i'm sure there must be a link there :P

Basicaly you have just anexed my sorce of income and given the keys to the biggest Alliance around......thanks for f**k all!

They certainly need to be a lot more accessible to people that don't farm Concord or FW LP. They also need to be able to be built at a pos.

Please show me ONE "huge alliance" which lives in low-sec.



No, exactly the opposite. Finally a good reason to live in low-sec.

The COs can be killed by a small fleet, that's why most of them will be controlled by the local residents (be it pirates, fw corps, small corps/alliances).

It can be the best change for low-sec ever.

I respectfully disagree. I've lived in quite a few different areas of lowsec. The positives that you're talking about are the exception, not the rule. Many areas of low-sec are either abandoned or owned by people that would rather not be generous with any shared resources.

Too many people have this idea that low sec is the stepping stone to null sec, where alliances are formed and broken like in null. They think you can really get a foothold in low-sec if someone doesn't want you there. This is the wishful thinking of someone that has yet to experience all that low-sec has to offer.

pos fuel on npc markets, best idea yet, pi is ******* bad. i loved my npc sell orders, bring them back