Out of Pod Experience

All of the points you list don't matter.

Better gfx, so what Eve still looks good, even considering it's age.

Real physics don't matter because the combat style of Eve won't suit it not to mention the complexity of running it on a single shard with the average user numbers on tranq, the real physics issue was looked at and discarded very early in Eve iirc and I don't think that it even made it into anything beyond the very early days of Eve if ever, I'm talking pre alpha never mind beta, I can't remember how early into the beta I started but I know it was before the autopilot was introduced and there was never any talk of real physics back then.

Walking around ships doesn't matter beyond a little immersion that would get old very quickly unless there was good game play reasons to do it.

Single play campaign, Eve is weak in this area not even denying it but if you're here for that then you need to get to grips with what "multi" means in terms of a MMO.

Naming your own systems, nice idea but beyond that what difference does it really make, besides I know most will use it to see just how far they can push the boundaries of what's acceptable language, I know if I ever play it and I find a system to name I'll call it "Coquebag".

I'd go out on a limb here and say no one does MMO markets like Eve online or comes close, it also took a few years and a lot of patience and effort to make it truly player driven and you expect that Star Citizen will deliver that straight off the bat, as for piracy it's been around since day one but it's a bit stale, can't see what Star Citizen will offer there that Eve doesn't, expect real physics and prettier graphics piracy.

100 ships like you say at the level of detail he wants will bring most systems to there knees, though anyone will tell you big fleet battles in Eve are no fun either but I've never had any game come close to the buzz you get in big fights when things are running fairly well in Tranquillity.

Setting up your own server, great, I loved freelancer mp and in this respect it will beat Eve hands down, it also tells you if you had any doubts that it is not and nor will it ever be a game that will seriously hit Eves player base.

I still say it will be a twitch space sim with some impressive whistles and bells and I genuinely hope it gets off the ground, I'd love to try it, but it will not stop me playing Eve because it won't offer me what Eve offers me, it will be another game I play.

WiS was always something, in my mind, that the devs liked but were never really sure where to go and only the development of WoD led to it seeing light of day. I was never a fan and after a 5 minute wander around the hanger I switched to the view of that f**king door until they put the old ship hanger back in, space barbies can burn for all I care, immersion is all well and good but it must serve a purpose, even a whole space station to wander around in is bollox if that is all you can do. The fact it's all but been discarded is a plus not a negative.

As for Dust, don't care, still won't change Eve that much for me unless my brother gets into it and hassles me for Aurum.

Those reasons may be enough for you to leave Eve and play Star Citizen if it offers up most of what it promises, but if it does then did you really enjoy Eve that much, because you'll gain very little from Star Citizen that'll you'll be giving up in Eve.

The closest game to Eve in recent memory was Perpetuum, that didn't make a difference and that is way closer to Eve than Star Citizen will be and that was Mechs.

I still maintain that they will be 2 different games sharing the same genre.

Oh I almost forgot, the moment you login, get online, and undock you are consenting to PVP whether you like it or not.

SINGLE BEST THING ABOUT THIS GAME.

I'll bet my left testicle that wont be in Star Citizen.

I am used to to real physics by having played independence war 2, and it was a riot to play both in first person view and pulling maneuvers that are simply impossible in eve.






So with that in mind, that also means that CCP's attempt with walking in stations is also wasted time for the most part, especially how long they've been teasing the player base with it and how little we got in the end...







It wouldn't be a bad idea for eve, as it would prepare new pilots better, and would be a lot better than simply having tutorials






Who knows what the limits are.....If you're part of a pirate corp and discovers a new system that's valuable in any way, and have the force to keep control of it and make money off it, you just expanded the universe size and added to the game by your own means......It's better than having new regions simply showing up thru an expansion release, like the drone regions or sleeper space.






I'm not asking anything right off the bat and you're right it takes time for things to develop, but there's no reason that they can't pull it off, and i especially like the fact that modding tools will eventually be freely released, players can submit their own ship designs, and updates will happen on a 2~3 week interval, rather than waiting 6 months for an expansion where a lot of the content that will be released has no impact on how you, or me or any of the older players enjoy the game.








And how many times does that happen in eve?......Yeah





Fair enough, to each their own reasons why they play, but i kinda like the ability to set up your own server, generating your own content with the tools they provide for free, and playing by your own rules if you wish.

We'll see what happends, but having been playing the game since 2003, and this being CCP, the notion of timescale seems to escape them quite easily, and on way more than a few expansions content was release only in it's initial stages of developement and never touched upon for years.


A good example is tech T3 cruisers, wich have been out for what 2+ years now.....Where he hell are the other classes of tech 3 ships going to be released?.....CCP made a big fuss when they were first anounced and hasn't done anything since and this isn't the only example.

So let me understand this correctly, CCP shows of several versions of WIS in a 4 year period( from 2006 onwards), wich is usually the amount of time it takes to make an ENTIRE GAME and we get a single room at the end and are supposed to be impressed by it?...Am i getting this right?


Here's the impression i get.....CCP biting off more than they can chew by involving themselves in several labor intensive projects,for wich they don't have enough staff to pull this off in a resonable amount of time, that's what i think and dust is the next casualty.


Don't you find it odd that as soon as it became known that no PC version was going to be made, and no deal was able to be struck with microsoft for an X360 version, that it drastically reduces the chances of dust being a commercial success by being limited to the PS3, wich to make matters worse, is on it's last year of existance since the PS4 is coming next year, and there's no news if there is backwards compatibility with PS3 titles or not?....Not to mention there's plenty of first person shooters for it too.


I see a fairly large number of red lights with this project, yet CCP is still steaming right along with it's developement and dedicating a fair chunk of it's workforce to it, at the expense of EVE online, wich is still the only game actually making money for them right now?....It's a shocker i know.

What is the point of making a game exactly as EvE?
The game will be different ,but it has the promise to be good competition.
And you read the word promise i hope ,bc yes it can fail

Yep, that's pretty much it. And not only that, but they did add expansions to EVE during that time. Also they are working on WoD and as you know DUST is out in beta. So you are leaving out the point that they didn't thrown all their resources into WiS, and then part of that development was most likely split/shared with WoD.

SOE/LA had the same problems with JTLS, development went slow when they wanted it at launch but added it later as an expansion due to the difficulty of adding bi-pod and internet spaceships to the same game client, they actually scraped the first attempt and rewrote it. Look at EnB, same thing, very difficult, and all they wound up with is something much like CQ being only a small amount of station environments for trading and mission ATM's. EA of course abandoned the game, too difficult to develop and EA turned attention to SIMSO/EA-Land until that failed. Other games, like Vendetta online, just didn't bother with it, and they're still around. WiS type play is a death trap historically, though maybe CCP will pull it off, and you should be happy that they will even try no matter the outcome since internet spaceship play is well rounded and unique.

Looks like SC did it, but then they just ignored the problems that previous games had to work around. To play SC, you will need a strong computer and fast broadband. Maybe not so much an issue now, but five or ten years ago it was an issue for most developers; to keep requirements low to reach the general audience of players and not just the few. I'm not buying a new computer next year so I'm not signing on. In two years I may get a new one (I just got one this year), so maybe this game will be ready by then. Chances are that whatever system you are running now, it won't run it.

Wich is what i just said earlier basically....taking on too many projects at the same time for the available amouunt of people they had on hand.....There was a time when they only left enough people for eve to bug fixing and adding small amounts of new content and that was it....Their focus was somewhere else, yet it's only EVE bringing in the money to finance the other projects, so you don't forget about it in the first place.


I've been waiting for a couple of years now for content dedicated to the older player base of the game and there's been nothing for the old farts of the game....A good chunk have either quit the game or only log on to change the skill they're training.....Yes it's that bad.



hate to break it to you but by the time they complete walking in stations for eve, star citizen might already be done and available.....Granted, the game is using an existing engine( Crytek 3) so that cuts developement time by at least 18 months as it takes time to build your own graphics engine, but they only started developing star citizen in 2011 and will be done by 2014 if all goes to plan, so it's only 3 odd years to make it happen





I already have the system to run it now.....twin Xeon 6 core CPU's with 4 video cards( HD7970's), 48 GB of ram and 3 screens, and you know the sad part about it, EVE only makes use of a fraction of it's abilities, but i'm sure star citizen will definitely give it a workout....

I don't care about walking in stations at all and never did......I started playing EVE because it's always been about being in space and flying space ships, wich has always been it's focus in the first place and nothing else......CCP are trying to create a whole universe around it with DUST and walking in stations and they don't have the resources to handle EVE to keep it up to date for all players, even those that have been playing since the start....That's the problem.





There has, but apart from a few additions that actually made a difference to the end player like T3 cruisers, or rebalancing super carriers and titans, or removing learning skill books or completing all possible types of T2 ships, and having drone regions and sleeper space, or redoing 0.0 sovereignty, or incursions or tier 3 battlecruisers.....All of this is nice and all but a lot of the old players have everything related to what i listed( and more), already nicely trained up.


Things that sucked come in the form of P.I.( Planetary interaction), wich i don't know what the point was with this unless it's somehow tied to dust, but i did try it for a couple of months and it was boring as hell and isn't even close to matching the income thru other means....Maybe some out there do it as a form of passive income generation regardless if they're logged on or not, but it's boring as hell just the same.





Not really... i'd say more Tech 3 classes of ships, starting to introducing T3 class weapons of all kinds and sizes( even T3 modules of all kinds), advancing the jove storyline wich has been stale since the start of the game, doing the same for sleeper space and even attempt to re-open the eve gate to see what's on the other side, if earth still exists and if they haven't become hostile to people they haven't seen in over 20 000 years.

These are just some ideas i thought up right now, but they sound way better than walking in stations or dust, wich there's tons of first person shooters on the market made by companies with a lot more experience than CCP in doing those types of games....Add that it's only available on the PS3 and the PS4 is coming next year to make matters worse.


There's basically so much expansion potential left in EVE, the space game that going into totally different directions like Dust simply isn't needed to begin with, and EVE is being largely ignored and now we have the retribution expansion coming up with 4 new destroyers and seeing cruisers rebalanced yet once again, or crime watch and i'm supposed to be excited given that i've been playing for 9+ years straight and i'm well beyond destroyers and cruisers at this point...


I do realise that there are plenty of people out there that would complain if CCP introduced some of this stuff ,and it would be extremely skill intensive and potentially further the gap between new players and old ones, but this is a game with a death penalty, losing implants and hardwirings and always needing a clone and that insurance has been nerfed when using the largest ships, and mineral prices going out of control and making everything more expensive, so i think it's easy to say EVE has never been about being fair in the first place, and i find it almost offensive that the game is continously between watered down for the new player experience when us old farts started playing it when it was a lot tougher to get into in the first place.

For a portion of the player base, specifically those that have been with the game since the start, when there were still a lot of rough edges, like server crashes 2~3 times a day, massive bugs and exploits and pretty much everything completely umbalanced, you better believe it.


CCP takes the old player base for granted and doesn't have to do a damn thing to keep them playing, and focuses on the new player experience instead for the last few years, so yeah it's kinda normal that the old farts are feeling somewhat ignored here.

Look up what's being added to the upcoming retribution expansion details to see if they're adding anything, even if it's only a single thing, that has any impact for the older player base that's been thru 17 expansions already...i don't think you'll find a single thing.....