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I'm sorry, did CCP say you can set a different tax rate for corp and the public? i must have missed that. if so i think that's a good thing. Either way, i'll be glad if pp stop doing PI because of this, as it means i'll get over 9000 isk for my coolant again

I already have a full time job bro, I just don't need that extra level of hassle and micro tedium (its already incredibly boring and time consuming/risky enough farming planets in low and null). PI was accessible and easy to get in to. Now its not going to be. I don't have the time or the inclination to faff with that. Given there are several easier ways to make isk, which do not require loads of alts, I'm not gonna go there.

Also, since I will no longer have a use for all these PI alts, which I will be selling, that's CCP out 3 plexes every month. I hope that is something they're happy about. Cos I won't be the only one who decided, along with supers, that they can no longer justify the expense of additional accounts/characters for such little 'fun' or 'reward'. Since those accounts were paid for with plex ( in my case) and there is no desire to pay real money to keep them going, then they close.

We knew PI conflict was coming, but I don't think turning all my jew golds in to a POS anyone can blow up or exclude me from unless I have a 5000 man alliance to back me up, was what we were expecting.

C'est la vie and .. toodles!

It's not 'burning crops' if it takes a day and a half and a twenty-man fleet to kill one of them in a timely fashion, it's POS warfare all over again. Zzz.

This is a great idea. The structure doesn't have too much EHP compared to all of the sov structures, making it a good target for bored small gangs. It also allows corporations and alliances to take "ownership" of planets. I am also glad that a risk free income source has been removed from null and lowsec.

I also appreciate the bandwidth buff because many planets have their resources spread out all over, and it makes it easier to farm resources far away from eachother.

A couple of questions:

In reinforced mode, will importing and exporting to and from the customs office be disabled?

If you destroy the customs office, will you be able to take whatever's inside for your own uses?

To all the haters out there, you can still do PI in highsec if you feel that low/null is too dangerous for you.

I've got some concerns.
-for those that already have PI on Null sec planets will the good now transport to the player Owned Gantry/office?
-Will warping to the Customs office now warp to the player owed Gantry/office when its there?
-profit from the highs sec locations gonna be even less profitable?
-and is their a deployment date decided for it yet?

This whole thing looks great on paper, but its making a lot of assumptions about EVE players that simply make me cringe and wonder if the PI team actually interacts with the average members of the player base.

• PI resources, especially in 0.0, are the sole benefit of the entities controlling the area. IE: Goonswarm doesn't allow White Noise. to freely jaunt around our space doing whatever they want to. We'd never consider letting entities that didn't pay us a significant sum to use resources in our sovereign space, regardless of the ability to tax the output. Why would we supply the means to resist us to our enemies when we could simply cut them off from it?


• Things with massive EHP and defenses suck. Plain and simple. This was the complaint with the old POS-spamming Sov system and is one of the major complaints with the Dominion system. Adding another structure with EHP that requires more than a medium-sized (40+ person) gang to reinforce or destroy is only going to cause space to be littered with player-built CO's that no one want to waste time destroTing unless they have a dire, compelling reason to do it. Instead, the creation of a CO that can be knocked into reinfocement mode by small or medium-sized groups in a non-lucrative amount of time would be much more beneficial to the community and promote destruction of assets and actually undocking to defend them from small, stray roving gangs. As well, if I'm with a small group and have an entire system shut-down from external traffic, I'd want the ability to significantly impact industrial assets with that small group considering we have military control of the area. Require the owner to put up a significant defense of resources (BUT no defensive structures as they GREATLY DECREASE any "fun" that comes from structure grinds and provide incentives to [i][not/i] actively show up for defenses) rather than make it a royal pain and boring fiasco to even put these structures into a reinforce cycle.


• Theres is little to no logic in allowing CO's to be deployed in lowsec without the consent of the holding sovereign NPC entity. As pointed out, a nullsec, player-controlled entity would never willingly allow a neutral or enemy group access to strategic resources in their sovereign space. Likewise, I can hardly believe that (for example) the Amarr Empire would allow a mostly Minmatar-loyal corporation to freely deploy a structure that directly facilitates the harvesting of precious resources in their space. Much like lowsec POS's, CO's in lowsec should require some form of contract between the sovereign NPC entity and the corporation to allow for its functioning (a la starbase vouchers). The costs for this could logically be recouped through taxing of the CO's exports by the controlling entity.


• Granularity and corporate security seem to have been overlooked a bit. I, as a corp director, am not going to hand out anchoring rights to every tom-****-and-jane in my corp just so they can run a CO for their private use. I'm also not going to let everyone have access to the resources of an export from the CO when they're directly related to how my corp's POS assets run. Why? Because even I would steal those resources if I was given a chance and there was minimal way for me to be caught by other corp members. That's the cold, dark world of EVE Online. Unless there's abilities for me as a corp director to audit any and all PI transactions, PI would be limited in my corp to only those that were trusted and easily track-able via our external audit programs.

The same would apply to any other entities using a CO my corp controls. I'd want to know what they're producing and what quantities they're exporting to adequately tax them for the privilege of using our CO.

We are ready to go when we have sifted through your feedback and made any necessary changes. For once we are not pressed for time, this is a good thing. The CSM were notified 2011.08.19 11:22:00, the design was shown to them and we made several tweaks as a result. If you want to see things UBER early the CSM is the place to be!

Regards
Omen

I have asked our lovely community reps , and I can say this much about the release of this feature: between US Thanksgiving and Christmas

has nothing to do with its location, this is a dumb ass change to a terribal 'profession', that will just make it more terrible and drive up pos fuel/parts/towers t2 items.

pi itself need a massive make over, not the ******* collection points..

Nice deflection there.

The hating isn't about danger but rather that PI will be coalesced to larger and larger groups like so many other things in EVE (sov, for instance).

It's a dead-end for the casual player now. Our best option is to stop selling our products, create a stockpile, and wait for the inevitable market price explosion.

Bro its CCP. Everything they do revolves around a large collidable object and blobs. Always has ..

And yeah, someone else will have to manufacture the 1.5m t2 missiles I *was* doing every week from PI.
And buy the plexes I was buying with the proceeds.

That someone will probably be in Test or Goons.