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New Dev Blog: Player-owned Customs Office

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Dominus Alterai
Star Freaks
#361 - 2011-10-18 17:33:53 UTC
Holy One wrote:
Well thats the end of PI for me then. I cba with all that bollocks. I did/do PI because it represents the least waste of my time for the most return.

I guess I'll just go do incursions like everyone else.

Anyone want to buy 5 PI alts? Evemail me.


Same here. I think i'll join the mass exodus from PI and start doing incursions instead. 3 more PI alts up for sale....

Reducing your holes to a quivering mess since 2009.
Dominus Alterai
Star Freaks
#362 - 2011-10-18 17:35:09 UTC
Mikron Alexarr wrote:
Go look at the old forums and you'll see what a threadnaught was. Too many people these days ignore the forums. That combined with the fact that most threads get locked before they get too out of hand makes for relatively short threads these days.

19 pages in under 3 hours. I'd say it's getting there.

Reducing your holes to a quivering mess since 2009.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#363 - 2011-10-18 17:35:49 UTC
Holy One wrote:
Well thats the end of PI for me then. I cba with all that bollocks. I did/do PI because it represents the least waste of my time for the most return.

I guess I'll just go do incursions like everyone else.

Anyone want to buy 5 PI alts? Evemail me.


lol you mean you took the time to train up 5 characters and you are now willing to give up at the drop of a hat? i think you are just overreacting for the sake of it... Solution to your problem - put your alts in a corp that holds customs offices and dry your tears.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Mikron Alexarr
New Age Solutions
#364 - 2011-10-18 17:36:18 UTC
Holy One wrote:
Well thats the end of PI for me then. I cba with all that bollocks. I did/do PI because it represents the least waste of my time for the most return.

I guess I'll just go do incursions like everyone else.

Anyone want to buy 5 PI alts? Evemail me.

edit: Aidditionally turning PI in to technetium ie a monopoly of the few seems counter to the entire appeal of PI. Finally, making PI a massive time sink, defeats the point of PI. Oh finally, finally, if that time sink is merely more tedious micro management and bullshit, duh. Err.

Game design? How about you design something that isn't bottomlessly tedious and unrewarding for a change?


It's things like this that makes me wonder if CCP did the calculations for where the stuff comes from based on characters tied to an Email address or just on characters. That would make their predictions quite interesting.

1)Change announced.
2)All the people running tons of alts suddenly stop feeding materials into the system..
3)all hell breaks loose...
Mikron Alexarr
New Age Solutions
#365 - 2011-10-18 17:36:34 UTC
damn forum UI
Dominus Alterai
Star Freaks
#366 - 2011-10-18 17:38:20 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Holy One wrote:
Well thats the end of PI for me then. I cba with all that bollocks. I did/do PI because it represents the least waste of my time for the most return.

I guess I'll just go do incursions like everyone else.

Anyone want to buy 5 PI alts? Evemail me.


lol you mean you took the time to train up 5 characters and you are now willing to give up at the drop of a hat? i think you are just overreacting for the sake of it... Solution to your problem - put your alts in a corp that holds customs offices and dry your tears.


Corps/alliances that can safely hold POCOs, aka 500+ member alliances, usually don't allow alts in other alliances without standings. I know that for a fact because I've had alts in a few of them...which were promptly kicked once they found out.

Reducing your holes to a quivering mess since 2009.
Ryunosuke Kusanagi
#367 - 2011-10-18 17:39:55 UTC
probbably been asked... but here it goes

is there a timeframe for launch of this?

not a specific date per se, but rather, wanting it part of the 0.0 expansion/patch or maybe summer next year?
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#368 - 2011-10-18 17:40:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Derath Ellecon
I may have missed it but has an ETA been announced for this?
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#369 - 2011-10-18 17:40:47 UTC
Dominus Alterai wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Holy One wrote:
Well thats the end of PI for me then. I cba with all that bollocks. I did/do PI because it represents the least waste of my time for the most return.

I guess I'll just go do incursions like everyone else.

Anyone want to buy 5 PI alts? Evemail me.


lol you mean you took the time to train up 5 characters and you are now willing to give up at the drop of a hat? i think you are just overreacting for the sake of it... Solution to your problem - put your alts in a corp that holds customs offices and dry your tears.


Corps/alliances that can safely hold POCOs, aka 500+ member alliances, usually don't allow alts in other alliances without standings. I know that for a fact because I've had alts in a few of them...which were promptly kicked once they found out.


In this case having your alts in their corp will be an advantage as the planet tax will be going to them and not concord.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
gargars
Willco Inc.
#370 - 2011-10-18 17:41:29 UTC
CCP Omen wrote:
Rhavas wrote:
Love the player-driven approach even if it is going to kill my income stream. Oh well, improvise, adapt, overcome.

Questions:
1) Looks like we can now launch and avoid customs (subject to ugly volume restrictions) - please confirm.
2) Courier contracts at customs offices? This is the feature really needed/lacking from PI production. Coming?
3) When does this go live?
4) Are you sending Vaseline to POS owners? They'll need it when we producers factor this in to fuel pricing...


1) confirmed
2) Not planned, good idea though
3) I'm not sure if I am at liberty to tell, but it's ready to go
4) Oops If it turns out to be too much of an upset, we will take action.



OK I am still digesting this (and not liking what I hear so far in many ways) but want to ask why is it that this is 'ready to go' when as far as I know we never heard a word about this? Another implementation without player feedback IN ADVANCE.... really? Why even pretend to care about our opinions when the coding is obviously DONE? ('Ready to go').
Handsome Hussein
#371 - 2011-10-18 17:42:16 UTC
Dominus Alterai wrote:
Holy One wrote:
I guess I'll just go do incursions like everyone else.

Same here. I think i'll join the mass exodus from PI and start doing incursions instead. 3 more PI alts up for sale....

Confirming that my hauling/PI alt is already training for a Tengu.

Leaves only the fresh scent of pine.
tgl3
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#372 - 2011-10-18 17:42:59 UTC
Ingvar Angst wrote:
You know... this is actually a pretty worthless change when it comes to wormholes. It makes no sense at all. Usually a single corp / alliance lives in a hole, and no one comes in from other systems to do PI. It's completely not feasible. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever to change the way things work right now in wormholes. It really should be left as is in there.

Pretty much this. There's no point in WHs having this because the only people using a WH's planets are those already living there. Noone else will use them, and noone else will shoot them.
My 2 cents.
Dominus Alterai
Star Freaks
#373 - 2011-10-18 17:43:54 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Dominus Alterai wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Holy One wrote:
Well thats the end of PI for me then. I cba with all that bollocks. I did/do PI because it represents the least waste of my time for the most return.

I guess I'll just go do incursions like everyone else.

Anyone want to buy 5 PI alts? Evemail me.


lol you mean you took the time to train up 5 characters and you are now willing to give up at the drop of a hat? i think you are just overreacting for the sake of it... Solution to your problem - put your alts in a corp that holds customs offices and dry your tears.


Corps/alliances that can safely hold POCOs, aka 500+ member alliances, usually don't allow alts in other alliances without standings. I know that for a fact because I've had alts in a few of them...which were promptly kicked once they found out.


In this case having your alts in their corp will be an advantage as the planet tax will be going to them and not concord.


You've never been to 0.0 have you? Almost all alliances set tax rate at their stations for alliance members to 0%. That includes reprocessing and and market tax.

Reducing your holes to a quivering mess since 2009.
Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#374 - 2011-10-18 17:44:49 UTC
questions to devs:

- what was the motivation for the upgrade step, why not include the materials of the upgrade in the construction step, and then is a just a simple anchor and online? Is that a way to avoid online ninja tactics?

- Will you provide 5 runs BPCs in concord store for a discount like the capital modules?

- This customs offices shields regenerate?

- Its possible to have a second and third version of this structure with more and less raw HP (for more / less money and materials of course) so people can have a choice to choose having in account their corp wallets size vs risk / defense capabilities -> (small, medium, large)

- Why not allow, In low sec, multiple customs offices (max 3 for planet) and let the market / concurrency / prices decide how this possibility plays out?

- The customs offices will show the corp/alliance logo?

- Will people attacking the costumer office in low sec gain aggression and drop in standings?

- If the custom office is only anchor, not upgraded, can I still shoot it and reinforce it?

- Can downgrade the customs offices and un-anchor it?

- The customs offices will need stront?



Unforgiven Storm for CSM 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13. (If I don't get in in the next 5 years I will quit trying) :-)
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#375 - 2011-10-18 17:46:45 UTC
so this is the start of your dust-eve link?

fighting over pos fuel...lmfao

i gave up smoking weed a while ago, but can you pass round whatever you have been smoking at the CCP office please, cos id bet its some good ****.


fighting over pos fuell.. cant get over that, too funny

OMG when can i get a pic here
Harassment Panda
Lead Farmers
#376 - 2011-10-18 17:47:38 UTC
Great addition to PI and a nice ISK sink.

I look forward to destroying them with my soon to be buffed Moros Twisted
Mikron Alexarr
New Age Solutions
#377 - 2011-10-18 17:47:54 UTC
gargars wrote:
CCP Omen wrote:
Rhavas wrote:
Love the player-driven approach even if it is going to kill my income stream. Oh well, improvise, adapt, overcome.

Questions:
1) Looks like we can now launch and avoid customs (subject to ugly volume restrictions) - please confirm.
2) Courier contracts at customs offices? This is the feature really needed/lacking from PI production. Coming?
3) When does this go live?
4) Are you sending Vaseline to POS owners? They'll need it when we producers factor this in to fuel pricing...


1) confirmed
2) Not planned, good idea though
3) I'm not sure if I am at liberty to tell, but it's ready to go
4) Oops If it turns out to be too much of an upset, we will take action.



OK I am still digesting this (and not liking what I hear so far in many ways) but want to ask why is it that this is 'ready to go' when as far as I know we never heard a word about this? Another implementation without player feedback IN ADVANCE.... really? Why even pretend to care about our opinions when the coding is obviously DONE? ('Ready to go').


See some of my previous posts.

The developers have to listen to product management. The reason for hilmar's letter was that he was basically pushing new feature development down product management's throats. Product management (obviously) didn't get the memo. Development isn't as in charge as they used to be.

CCP has taken on the form of many larger companies. While the devs are ultimately responsible for delivering a product, it's product management that determines the product to be delivered. Blame them.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#378 - 2011-10-18 17:48:28 UTC
I may have missed it but has an ETA been announced for this?
Rhavas
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#379 - 2011-10-18 17:48:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhavas
CCP Omen wrote:
Raziphan Rebular wrote:
Why require corporations? Okay so I love PI it's something everyone can do with a little skill, and a lot of understanding. But this move, takes PI away from the little guy and moves it into the hands of corporations. Why must these custom offices be ran by corporations and not simply players? Why can't becoming a baron of a ton of profitable planets be another possibility for players? It's always irked me that only Corporations can setup Poses, and now it seems like only corporation will be able to run their own customs office despite the fact they seem to be well with in the range of the single player to afford and deploy.


PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE CCP make it so that we can launch our own personal custom offices as well not simply 'for the corporation'.


It's really quite cheap to create your own one man corporation. Also, the "little" guy is adviced to use CONCORD's customs offices in High-Sec.

Regards
Omen


OK, have to disagree with you here. I have two PIers that provide all my income.

My main (PI in NPC null) will now need to either convince the CEO to build customs offices or pay to do so but under the corp's name, making war-target magnets and more assets for him to worry about, to supplement my personal income. I give this a 60% chance of working out, because my CEO is a good guy. Most won't get nearly this chance. This represents probably 3/5 of my ISK.

My hauler alt (PI in lowsec) will now need to get enough ISK together to build five of these monstrosities (most of which will be knocked down in days), or pay huge rates at risk of lockout, or pick up cans in lowsec in a Mammoth, which is effectively a death sentence.

Or they can both move back to highsec and I cut my income by 2/3.

As I mentioned in another post, I support more player-driven approaches to PI.

PLAYER driven. Not CORP required.

I encourage you to give more thought to "the little guy" in low and null prior to release. It's not the same as "terrified noob."

Author of Interstellar Privateer Shattered Planets, Wormholes and Game Commentary
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#380 - 2011-10-18 17:48:52 UTC
Dominus Alterai wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Dominus Alterai wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Holy One wrote:
Well thats the end of PI for me then. I cba with all that bollocks. I did/do PI because it represents the least waste of my time for the most return.

I guess I'll just go do incursions like everyone else.

Anyone want to buy 5 PI alts? Evemail me.


lol you mean you took the time to train up 5 characters and you are now willing to give up at the drop of a hat? i think you are just overreacting for the sake of it... Solution to your problem - put your alts in a corp that holds customs offices and dry your tears.


Corps/alliances that can safely hold POCOs, aka 500+ member alliances, usually don't allow alts in other alliances without standings. I know that for a fact because I've had alts in a few of them...which were promptly kicked once they found out.


In this case having your alts in their corp will be an advantage as the planet tax will be going to them and not concord.


You've never been to 0.0 have you? Almost all alliances set tax rate at their stations for alliance members to 0%. That includes reprocessing and and market tax.


I'm sorry, did CCP say you can set a different tax rate for corp and the public? i must have missed that. if so i think that's a good thing. Either way, i'll be glad if pp stop doing PI because of this, as it means i'll get over 9000 isk for my coolant again Big smile

The wishlist is pretty much complete...