Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Overall these changes to npcs are very good. This will allow people to pvp in plexes without the rats being a major nuisance. Thats half the battle won!

But really the plexes will still best be done in pve ships and by avoiding pvp.

Until we get a notification system and/or some sort of timer countback (even jsut a couple of minutes back) that won't change. Its too bad these ideas aren't front and center for winter as they address the fact that faction war is really a carebear race.

The whole moving the button closer to warp in is a bad idea though. If i wanted to compulsively hit dscan I would be in a wormhole.

As far as stopping the timer as long as you are anywhere on grid, I am not sure I get why you are doing that. Not only will kiting ships get an unnecessary boost but, can people just cloak up and go afk preventing the plex to be captured and therefore new ones to spawn?

Personally I hate Eve for forcing all fights to happen next to gates or stations. Further promoting this is bad imo.

All other changes mentioned seem to be pretty good though.

Let me second what someone else already said. It's great to see you posting these ideas in the forums asking for some feedback.

I don't mean to be overly negative about this. I think the rookie plex would be a very good addition to the other plexes.

But if you just combine all ships into the other three it gets a little crampled. You basically turn mediums into smalls with afs. And major restricted into mediums with hacs but no bcs. Now all but the rookie plexes get a bit expensive if you want to run them solo. I would rather lose cruisers than one hac.

Let me ask some questions:

A firetail or a slicer would fit in a small one right? But a firetail and slicer only do about 200 dps on a good day. (I actually don't fly either but think its a bit lower for most pvp fits) An incursus can do about that much damage as well. So we will still have t1 frigates running mediums, or we will have no plexes that our navy frigates can run.

As far as the large plexes you will have to base the damage on what a t1 cruiser can do. And well many destroyers can put out the damage of a cruiser. The tank may be a problem but probably not if you pve it up. If you have the rats do too much damage for those types of ships you will probably have them do too much damage for a pvp ship that should be fitting a point etc.


You will find that a ship set up for pve will always be able to out tank and gank a pvp ship. They don't have to worry about a scram or other ewar or tracking and other things that win in pvp. And they typically know exactly what tank they need. This is why to avoid plexing being a pve activity you also need to do some other things like a form of timer countdown and notifications.

Maybe your sleeper AI covers this. But I think it would be very hard to do. Players pretty much learn the minminmum to beat just about any pve ship in about a month or 2.

let me summarize that:

- you are in a low-security system and you know that everyone there can and probably will try to kill you
- you are in a ship not equipped for PvP
- you are in a public available position and know that anyone can warp to you any second
- you refuse to hit the scanner frequently even when probably hostile players enter the local

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And you still want the environment protecting your while making money? Seriously?

Note: 99% if all people who are "ganked" while doing PvE made a lot of mistakes previously that lead to the outcome. If FW should be mainly about PvP, the environment should not prevent it.

Let me summarize some things for you:


People should be able to expect to see an enemy come in when they are attacking the enemies complex.

Plexing should be about pvp.

Your style of ganking people with several ship classes higher or greater numbers should not replace the current mechanics.

CCP is essentially saying well we will leave plexing a pve mechanic but just make it a bit easier to gank the pvers unless the pvers do some tedious task like spam dscan. This is the wrong approach.

It shouldn't be more difficult to run a medium plex in a t1 pvp cruiser. It should be all but impossible to run one in a pve fit.

You don't get it.

Plexing should not be a game of gank the pver. You are applying the pirate versus carebear dynamic to the wrong part of eve. We have enough of that already in eve.

I go in plexes where there are enemies. That way it increases the chance of a fight. I just want some distance from the warp in, case there is a blob.


The other mechanics like notifications and timer rollback are the mechanic changes that make plexing a pvp mechanic without making it a silly gank the pver game.

Changes seem fine, but I guess my only concern is with the need now to kill the NPC's at sites won't this drive faction standing down so low that it will be quite painful to grind it back up when/if they leave faction warfare? I think that may be a fairly big negative to those contemplating FW if that's the case.

No, perfect would be to drop the folly of the easy LP that comes from defensive plexing and introduce the automatic timer instead plus meaningful upgrades (ie. ones that will encourage people to spend the hours orbiting).

But the Farmers Union is too strong now after six months of infini-LP so guess we'll (read: I'll) have to settle for even more LP being thrown after the gunless stabbed frigs of the alt armies.

So hit dscan before you actually warp into the plex. Heaven forbid you use the tools available to you to garner intelligence.



This is a good point.

I agree this part will have to be changed. Something like 60k will make people trying to defend actually enter the combat area, instead of orbiting at 150k, or sitting 100k away and sniping while defensive plexing the site at the same time.