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Stop forcing me to wear high heels

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Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#41 - 2012-08-20 19:09:42 UTC
Isabel Midnight wrote:
i dont think you understand collision detection or programming.


Your actual complaint is that CCP doesn't understand collision detection or programming, because that's the precise reason they gave when asked why all capsuleer avatars were the same height.

I'm sorry it's not satisfactory.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!

Isabel Midnight
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-08-20 19:35:28 UTC
Make women taller then 5'8 woman is not unusual at all
Sinister Zed
Morbidus Comitatus
#43 - 2012-08-20 19:50:03 UTC
Please sorry i got it wrong.

I mailed Isobella:-

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hello Ms. Midnight,

i have to say a very big thank you for bringing the matter of appropriate clothing and footwear up on the forums because this game is sometimes rather silly and we shouldn't have to endure real predjudice here as well as in real life should we? I really appreciate your taking the time to make a wonderfully witty post about the ridiculous lengths some people go to when playing Eve and how they cannot separate real life from their science-fiction internet computer spaceship games.

As a result of your post you have inspired me to write a forum post complaining about the lack of respect shown to corpses in general and asking that basic wooden coffins be provided in the first instance. I will canvas players and CCP to see if we might not amend this state of affairs. Hopefully we might add plastic, biodegradeable and high-quality hardwood and brass coffins at a later date as optional extras, or indeed faction coffins with heavy plating (Amarr), Shields (Caldari), duct-tape (Minmatar) and hull-upgrades (Gallente).

Thank you again for making me laugh! that's freakin hilarious! Comfortable shoes! you fooking card you! Oh man that's priceless.

Thank you so much!

Yours in Eternity,

Sinister Zed (no, i died and came back)
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More to follow...
Sinister Zed
Morbidus Comitatus
#44 - 2012-08-20 19:52:21 UTC
I got confused because Isobella replied:-

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From: Isabel Midnight
Sent: 2012.08.19 11:57
To: Sinister Zed,

wtf if wrong with you
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???
Sinister Zed
Morbidus Comitatus
#45 - 2012-08-20 19:53:29 UTC
so i mailed again because I wanted to clarify, here's my mail to her:-
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Hello again Ms. Midnight,

I really love your sense of humor! since reading your forums posts again i realise you are right.

Its really not fair that CCP have only released some lame clothes in the NOBLE echange store, they really need to pay attention to what people think and you're right - the small range is not appropriate. Especially when you consider the kinds of prejudice we have to put up with. I only have to mention i collect corpses in local and people start getting all stereotypical and accusing me of necrofilia.

I do agree that they need to add more to the NOBLE store clothing range, and as you rightly mention, the fact they are forcing women into conventional sexual stereotypes is surprising. I think, as this is a science-fiction internet computer spaceship game there really has to be some acknowledgement that this is not real-life and they should do something to rectify the poor selection of clothing wihch forces females into conventional roles.

I will be canvassing fellow players and CCP to see if people think we might reasonably add a range of
summer-wear to the store. It would definitely improve in-game realism to include a range of appropriately skimpy Brazlian style whale-tail bikinis and mankini equivalents (for male characters), or one-piece Victorian striped bathing suits with caps for the more modest amongst us.

I was also thinking that CCP should consider further extending the range of clothing for females beyond that however, i would like to see a patent-leather gimp-suit, leather bondage harness, nipple-tassles, thigh-high red leather boots with six-inch heels and cat-masks. Male characters should be allowed these of course, in the spirit of equality. Mind you, we then need to consider the religious (in all fairness, and to improve realism) and a Hijab, Turban, Zucchetto and Papal Mitre might be added? You might, as a female character, be interested in a Hijab instead of the leather bondage waist-coat you have clothed your toon in, to ensure you don't inadvertently follow blindly conventional sexual steroetypes.

As i mentioned in my earlier mail to you, do you think the ideas I had for coffins could be usefully implemented? Since re-reading your post i have thought it might also be nice to introduce, specifically for corpse collectors like myself, a range of shrouds and post-mortem make-up,? Please let me know if you approve of my ideas.

Thank you again for making me laugh. Comfortable shoes! that's priceless.

Thank you so much!

Yours in Eternity,

Sinister Zed

ps if you do heppen to get podded can i has your corpse?
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Sinister Zed
Morbidus Comitatus
#46 - 2012-08-20 19:54:11 UTC
but i am really confused now because she said:-
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From: Isabel Midnight
Sent: 2012.08.20 19:39
To: Sinister Zed,

stop posting
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Sinister Zed
Morbidus Comitatus
#47 - 2012-08-20 19:55:42 UTC
so of course i had to mail to clarify because:-
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Oh Ms. Midnight.

I have just received your most recent mail. Am i to assume tha in fact in the origibal forum post you were not actually joking? Or you do want people to ask for a wider vareity of clothing? I am confused now, could you please make clear which it is?

Thanks,

Zed
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I really not sure she's serious about all men being dumb-ass?
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#48 - 2012-08-20 20:08:47 UTC
Isabel Midnight wrote:
Make women taller then 5'8 woman is not unusual at all


My family has many of them. And there are many men taller than 5'8" as well. Only CCP can answer your objection, since you insult and abuse anyone who tries to share with you why CCP made everyone the same size.

Good luck.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!

Isabel Midnight
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2012-08-20 20:10:28 UTC
Sinister zed you are a weird individual
Tomytronic
Perkone
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-08-20 20:50:37 UTC
This whole thread is weird.
Kingston Black
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-08-20 22:16:49 UTC
yup i find the lack of player clothing and the lack of height variation deeply disturbing and sexist.

Please fix this soon ccp I want to be 12m tall and have high heels many thanks


Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#52 - 2012-08-21 06:23:08 UTC
Isabel Midnight wrote:

Typical dimissive bullshit that I've come to expect from male 'gamers'. The people who are making jokes about men in skirts are being transphobic , flat out , that isn't even a discussion its the definition of transphobia.

Misogyny certainly does not require 'intent'. Saying 'oh I'm sorry I didin't MEAN to be a sexist piece of ****' doesn't mean **** to anyone who is a victim of this ****.

The fact women are forced into high heels right at the start of the game is repulsive and offensive. I don't care if it was an accident it still needs to be fixed.



I find your anger offensive. You've made me cry a little. I also wish you'd stop refering to me as misogynistic. You should look it up and see if you can understand the definition.


Isabel Midnight wrote:
Intent is not magic! If you accidentally step on someone's toe and hurt their foot, you say sorry, because you hurt their foot. It doesn't matter if you didn't intend to! Their foot still hurts!


Unless they spit venom and swear at me repeatedly in which case I laugh at them and do it again.

Isabel Midnight wrote:

i dont think you understand collision detection or programming.


Lol. And you're a programmer are you?


Isabel Midnight wrote:
The female thin model looks dangerously underweight but that's probably another discussion.


I guess that might be the case by contrast if you're a fat heffer. They don't look dangerously underweight to me but then I've got a good figure.
orashnic
Perkone
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-08-21 09:25:35 UTC
Internet spaceships is serious business.

End of story. Good idea, clothes can wait.
Sardek Nardan
Khanid Constructions
#54 - 2012-08-21 10:36:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Sardek Nardan
Isabel Midnight wrote:
The female thin model looks dangerously underweight but that's probably another discussion.

They look like average continental europe teenage/early twenty. I do not know where you come from, but they look quite normal. Some characters are asians, so you need them to be thin as well.

For the overweight stuff:
1 - it is kind of ugly
2 - it won't fit into a pod
3 - you have to make a special set of animation (a healthy man or woman, does not walk and move the same way as an overweight one)
4 - overweight is considered a decease in some European countries and well you do not want to promote unhealthy life style, do you?
Isabel Midnight
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2012-08-21 10:45:24 UTC
Being anorexic is far more serious than being mildly overweight, especially in the short term.

For the record yes I am a programmer , python too even , I would link you my git-hub portfolio but I don't want Google to associate it with this cesspool of nerds.

Oh for Tchulen , once you've been stood on so many times you tend to get angry when people keep doing it and claiming innocence. You should try it but coming from your position of intense privilege doubt that you could even conceive of the problems for those without it in modern society.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#56 - 2012-08-21 11:16:02 UTC
Most of the women I know who wear heels, wear them to impress other women. Their clothing, hair style, shoes and accessories are chosen to impress with style, taste, and expense. They're certainly not interested in the opinions of the men they work with. It's about looking "smart" or "sharp", not "hot".

But I would prefer to be able to wear sandals, rather than heels.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#57 - 2012-08-21 11:21:56 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Roime wrote:
Did you know that high heels may improve the tone of a woman's pelvic floor, thus affecting female incontinence?




Did you know bullets to the brain may improve a man's ED?



See I can make random statements without proof too.


I know you can, but I don't. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7225828.stm

http://www.medicina.univr.it/fol/main?ent=persona&id=3132

As what comes to the topic, I agree with the OP, no matter how bonkers she appears, and no matter how acutely irrelevant a detail like this is in the context of the current non-existent avatar gameplay.



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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2012-08-21 12:21:02 UTC
I think female characters shouldnt be allowed to wear clothes at all.
Harsh universe etc.
Ferengi style ya know

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.

Anslo
Scope Works
#59 - 2012-08-21 12:38:42 UTC
Isabel Midnight wrote:
Being anorexic is far more serious than being mildly overweight, especially in the short term.

For the record yes I am a programmer , python too even , I would link you my git-hub portfolio but I don't want Google to associate it with this cesspool of nerds.

Oh for Tchulen , once you've been stood on so many times you tend to get angry when people keep doing it and claiming innocence. You should try it but coming from your position of intense privilege doubt that you could even conceive of the problems for those without it in modern society.


No one cares about your program/code. You're a feminist. Now go make me a sandwich in dem heels.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Isabel Midnight
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2012-08-21 13:09:47 UTC
Tchulen wrote:

Lol. And you're a programmer are you?


It appears someone does care and that is who I was responding to maybe?