Missions & Complexes

Bloody hell, i've never seen such a mass of self-pitying whingers. Whingers who it seems have no facility for rational thought either. You don't have to be a genius to know the difference between afk farming and afk hauling or missioning

Sreegs, you're a more patient man than I o7

I have no idea what this "afk running" thing is about" but again, i see that what's right and what's wrong in player's actions is decided on single person's (Sreegs') judgment and good will. Which looks ********.
Give players at least some concrete framework on what they can and cannot do, what's considered bad, what can get you punished, so we're all on the same grounds. I thought this was obvious and logical.

Also, on the second thought, you might want to check your wording, so you don't sound like a pompous douche.
No offence, just tired of Sreegs' ever-patronizing tone towards his company's clients.

Give me actual numbers, or Sreegs should give out ACTUAL numbers how much they really made.
I know a lot of persons which make insane amounts of money and manipulate the market.
I do not think I broke any rules, because I never did "AFK COSMOS"-whatever. I am just an observer trying to be objective.

And they did not break any clear rules, just because some meta-philosophical interpretation of the EULA or Sreegs says that this is not okey, it did not actually break any rule.
Don't get me wrong. I do not like to see people making money out of nowhere, but they did it on a legitimate basis.
Please tell me you wouldn't did the same thing if you spotted something similiar.
You probably wouldn't have done it 24h but you would have used it for a good amount of time, which is basically "abusing" the same mechanism.
If doing something 24hours is abuse, doing it 8hours is abuse too.
Beating your wife gets not any near more legal if you only did it once a week rather than each day.

The very problem is that CCP Sreegs always comes out and says PLAYERS ABUSED IT, WE WILL PUNISH THIS BEHAVIOUR.
I said it last time, when the Factional Warfrare thing was around.

Please CCP watch your words, people on the internet are sensitive and you should learn to address things in a much nicer way.
"There is problem with COSMOS which opened the possibility to made more money than we intended, we will fix(!) this issue"
and not "investigate it and ban all people".

We have much bigger problems than some few high sec carbears getting a bit too much money.
This is only another addition to the list of problems that the system might be broken, yet unfixed.
And I doubt they will do more about this, rather than simply striking through with bans instead of adjusting the algorithm or altering the gameplay of COSMOS.


http://memegenerator.net/instance/24746559

What he said. In some 20+ posts, Suqq, you haven't said anything directly related to the issue at hand, simply flamed other people's comments. Regardless of our opinions, some of us are trying to have a serious discussion about the direction of the game, so eIther get out from behind your 4 month old alt and act responsibly, or quit being a newbie troll and shut-up. To correct your misinformed carping, the Code of Conduct describes how you should BEHAVE, not how you can play, and there is nothing in either it or the EULA that describes or defines BOT-LIKE behavior. That is strictly an artifact of forum discussions like this one.

Contrary to many of the CCP positive/Player negative comments, Much of this discussion is not about whether this behavior is right or wrong, but how CCP is going about it, and what the ramifications of their actions are. AFK is an important fact of life in the game. Hardly anyone, even stupid listless ones, ever do absolutely nothing. Unless you're insanely paranoid or a complete couch potato, very few players sit around and watch while they do 22 jumps through hisec space. I certainly don't. I don't watch my laundry spin, or my chicken roast; I GO DO SOMETHING ELSE. If someone chooses to farm a complex manually because they can do it while at work, or some other reason, the question remains HOW CAN YOU TELL if they are AFK ot not?

The without an answer to this question this kind of decision is indeed a slipperly slope, as this behavoir is very similar to others in the game. The only distinction is some nebulous determination of how much/how fast that has yet to be revealed.

Edited this in:



And this is exactly WHY it is a slippery slope. First, the limits cannot be easily determined, and second this is EXACTLY the behavior pattern of PI. A few keystokes, and no interaction for hours (days even); I could remain online, AFK or not, without doing anything else, logout, or go do some other game activity. But in the first case, you cannot tell what I'm doing or what my intentions are.

Linkage

23 hours a day, 28 days a month is around 29B

Not while being afk 23 hours a day.

I wonder if this means my "Off Grid Booster" is a bot? Are you going to ban them as well????

THIS looks like what Skreggs was talking about.

Gotta hand it to him, He really attempted to cloud the issue....MMMyeah

OK, I see this as going a weeee bit too far. And I see CCP deciding to nip it off
however, I still say:

1. Tell the CSM you are gonna make a change to player capabilities Re:COSMOS
2. Fix it
3. No banning needed. Just a footnote, buried in a patch log

(But of course, CCP Skreggs would not get a chance to... ummm... Shine)


(Of course, you have to admit, he WAS pretty cool about replying to all of our Kvetching)

put like, a 3 hour timer on drones, just like you did with probes?
no, seriously. ban bots and bad people, but if you didn't make the game the way you wanted, then fix it.

There are not enough sites to exploit it on a very high level.
Many mining OPS have a larger influence on the market than this, especially since this "exploit" was only done by a few people.

It's hard-limited by the amount of COSMOS sites, with the right rats and bounty.


I am not blind, but the "if everyone does this"-argument is a very bad one, since if really everyone would do this, everyone would get the exact same amount of money out of it.^^
And as I said before, there are hard-limits on doing this.