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[PROPOSAL] Bring back the vagabond frill

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#181 - 2012-07-28 16:27:14 UTC
+1

My Vagabond looks really ugly now & I will not fly it again until it regains it's attractiveness.

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Cedric deBouilard
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#182 - 2012-07-31 17:11:08 UTC
+1
It looked way better in the past.
Droidyk
Maniacal Miners INC
Cosmic Maniacs
#183 - 2012-08-01 20:47:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Droidyk
I agree, not only Vagabond but all minmatar, mainly their coloring. Now everything is basically black and blue... Now the minmatar t2 ships has no variability at all, where are those awesome green lights. Frigates seems like cruisers now with those little guns.. And Vagabond is shaved bold, those "ears" maked it really what it was and represented Minmatar style.., now its just black Stabber.

+1
Droidyk
Maniacal Miners INC
Cosmic Maniacs
#184 - 2012-08-01 21:03:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Droidyk
Edit: Posted by: Lazareth Toxin

Thank ******* God!!! someone cares about this disaster as much as I do....this was a complete failure on the part of the CCP ship designers, taking a legendary ships like the Vagabond and making them look like regular production ship so they can make their work on the ship skins easier to give us ******* "Hello Kittie" graphics, then sticking some lame ass solar-panel on the side with a few lights to make us feel OK with their changes...what are we idiots or noobs who don't know any better or give a ****???

Along with the tragic changes to the Vagabond, they have in my opinion destroyed the beauty of the faction ships such as the Tempest Fleet Issue by removing it's iconic rectangular fins and other parts of the model and the Typhoon Fleet Issue by removing it's mast scaffolding and fuzzy antennas, not to mention their earlier changes to all turrets which removed all the awesome tech 2 lights leaving all turrets looking like the tech 1 variants and while I'm at it they have over scaled the projectile turrets and made the architecture look clumsy and senseless.

CCP seems to have taken on a new game model and that is to make everything in EVE as simple and reproducible as possible to create an environment within the design departments of CCP that produces faster and cheaper, which is destroying the original creative works that have made EVE a uniquely beautiful and amazing experience.

I am really into the way my ships look and work as well as fly and fight and that is why I have stripped my Multi-Billion Isk Tempest Fleet Issue and Typhoon Fleet issue and placed them on the marker and will be doing the same to all my Vagabonds very soon...I once was a very proud Minmatar pilot and now I wish I was Amarrian!!!

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NinjaTurtle
Dopamine.
Digital Dopamine
#185 - 2012-08-02 07:36:18 UTC
Confirming we need our frill returned.
Thank you, +1
Yugo Reventlov
Keeping Up Appearances
#186 - 2012-08-02 08:13:12 UTC
+1 I feel naked without my frill!
Alystin Wyndyl
Night's Shadows
Dark Souls.
#187 - 2012-08-03 05:42:05 UTC
+1 to bring back the Vaga's thrill frill!!
Komodo Askold
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#188 - 2012-08-04 09:31:53 UTC
Yeah, the Vagabond looks ood without the frill. I would make it slighty different than before, for the change, but so that it would still be a frill.
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
#189 - 2012-08-05 21:29:23 UTC
+1

Has the CSM cared to reply to this thread? I know they have DEV and GM tags, but I don't remember seeing thread tags for CSM or ISD.

Can we get some kind of communication from the CSM about this?????
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Doomheim
#190 - 2012-08-07 10:08:24 UTC
Counter signed.

-1
CCP Huskarl
C C P
C C P Alliance
#191 - 2012-08-09 13:30:29 UTC
Hey vagabonds

A number of you are missing the so called frills we had removed from the Vagabond during the v3 process, and I think it’s totally fair that I (the Art director) give you an explanation why we did that, and what our intentions (visually) are with the Vagabond in the future.

EVE is constantly under development and we in the art team look at the renovation process as an ongoing never-ending task that we love to keep working on alongside the new assets we make every year. Some players don’t like to see to many changes made to their beloved ships, but because of this, the fidelity of the game after all these years is still hard to beat and EVE keeps getting great reviews for the art every year.

However maybe the decision to remove the frill from the Vagabond was taken too lightly and I didn’t realize how attached to the look of the ship you were. To me, as the Art Director the Vagabond is a Thukker version of the Stabber, but with Brutor sails attached (rather badly, with intersecting polygons) to the bridge area that make the ship look a bit silly. But after giving it some thought I can understand the iconic appeal. I think you should get your frills back in some way or the other.

That being said, I always wanted to fix the old Stabber up a little bit and give it some more love. I’m not talking about a huge overall change to the ship. But rather just balancing a bit the engine area and making some parts a little more believable. This would of course give us a chance to give the Vagabond some extra care and design the frills with Thukker and some functionality in mind. I already have Stephan Stölting an amazing concept artist working on it and I promise to keep you posted about the development in the near future. Until we finish it you still have to live with a “no frills” Vagabond.

Regards CCP Huskarl
Bucky O'Hair
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#192 - 2012-08-09 13:41:26 UTC
CCP Huskarl wrote:
Hey vagabonds

A number of you are missing the so called frills we had removed from the Vagabond during the v3 process, and I think it’s totally fair that I (the Art director) give you an explanation why we did that, and what our intentions (visually) are with the Vagabond in the future.

EVE is constantly under development and we in the art team look at the renovation process as an ongoing never-ending task that we love to keep working on alongside the new assets we make every year. Some players don’t like to see to many changes made to their beloved ships, but because of this, the fidelity of the game after all these years is still hard to beat and EVE keeps getting great reviews for the art every year.

However maybe the decision to remove the frill from the Vagabond was taken too lightly and I didn’t realize how attached to the look of the ship you were. To me, as the Art Director the Vagabond is a Thukker version of the Stabber, but with Brutor sails attached (rather badly, with intersecting polygons) to the bridge area that make the ship look a bit silly. But after giving it some thought I can understand the iconic appeal. I think you should get your frills back in some way or the other.

That being said, I always wanted to fix the old Stabber up a little bit and give it some more love. I’m not talking about a huge overall change to the ship. But rather just balancing a bit the engine area and making some parts a little more believable. This would of course give us a chance to give the Vagabond some extra care and design the frills with Thukker and some functionality in mind. I already have Stephan Stölting an amazing concept artist working on it and I promise to keep you posted about the development in the near future. Until we finish it you still have to live with a “no frills” Vagabond.

Regards CCP Huskarl



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Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#193 - 2012-08-09 13:47:29 UTC
Always nice to see CCP reacting to user feedback and already looking forward to brighter amarr ships. P
Krell Kroenen
The Devil's Shadow
#194 - 2012-08-09 13:50:49 UTC
CCP Huskarl wrote:
Hey vagabonds

A number of you are missing the so called frills we had removed from the Vagabond during the v3 process, and I think it’s totally fair that I (the Art director) give you an explanation why we did that, and what our intentions (visually) are with the Vagabond in the future.

EVE is constantly under development and we in the art team look at the renovation process as an ongoing never-ending task that we love to keep working on alongside the new assets we make every year. Some players don’t like to see to many changes made to their beloved ships, but because of this, the fidelity of the game after all these years is still hard to beat and EVE keeps getting great reviews for the art every year.

However maybe the decision to remove the frill from the Vagabond was taken too lightly and I didn’t realize how attached to the look of the ship you were. To me, as the Art Director the Vagabond is a Thukker version of the Stabber, but with Brutor sails attached (rather badly, with intersecting polygons) to the bridge area that make the ship look a bit silly. But after giving it some thought I can understand the iconic appeal. I think you should get your frills back in some way or the other.

That being said, I always wanted to fix the old Stabber up a little bit and give it some more love. I’m not talking about a huge overall change to the ship. But rather just balancing a bit the engine area and making some parts a little more believable. This would of course give us a chance to give the Vagabond some extra care and design the frills with Thukker and some functionality in mind. I already have Stephan Stölting an amazing concept artist working on it and I promise to keep you posted about the development in the near future. Until we finish it you still have to live with a “no frills” Vagabond.

Regards CCP Huskarl


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Rixx Javix
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#195 - 2012-08-09 13:57:18 UTC
Thank You!! I look forward to new and improved Stabber Class ships with some form and return to the iconic and traditional "Frills" associated with the demon Vagabond.

Thanks for hearing us. It means a lot.

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Alua Oresson
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#196 - 2012-08-09 14:00:54 UTC
You knew they would start doing this as soon as Rixx finished his VMF swag.

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Skogen Gump
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#197 - 2012-08-09 14:12:25 UTC
CCP Huskarl wrote:
Hey vagabonds

...

Regards CCP Huskarl



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Cooper Anderson Stewart
Casalt Corp
CAStabouts
#198 - 2012-08-09 15:18:09 UTC
+1 for accountability.

Thank you for listening and more importantly, responding.
Seismic Stan
Freebooted Junkworks
#199 - 2012-08-09 15:37:01 UTC
Great news. I'm glad we were heard. It's been a fun tubthump and a great excuse for some community content. Next update, how about removing engine trails for a laugh? I'm sure that'd get an enthusiastic response and we could organise a week-long sit-in (somewhere that serves beer). ;)

#NoTrailisFail?
Thorvik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#200 - 2012-08-09 15:43:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Thorvik
CCP Huskarl wrote:
Hey vagabonds

A number of you are missing the so called frills we had removed from the Vagabond during the v3 process, and I think it’s totally fair that I (the Art director) give you an explanation why we did that, and what our intentions (visually) are with the Vagabond in the future.

EVE is constantly under development and we in the art team look at the renovation process as an ongoing never-ending task that we love to keep working on alongside the new assets we make every year. Some players don’t like to see to many changes made to their beloved ships, but because of this, the fidelity of the game after all these years is still hard to beat and EVE keeps getting great reviews for the art every year.

However maybe the decision to remove the frill from the Vagabond was taken too lightly and I didn’t realize how attached to the look of the ship you were. To me, as the Art Director the Vagabond is a Thukker version of the Stabber, but with Brutor sails attached (rather badly, with intersecting polygons) to the bridge area that make the ship look a bit silly. But after giving it some thought I can understand the iconic appeal. I think you should get your frills back in some way or the other.

That being said, I always wanted to fix the old Stabber up a little bit and give it some more love. I’m not talking about a huge overall change to the ship. But rather just balancing a bit the engine area and making some parts a little more believable. This would of course give us a chance to give the Vagabond some extra care and design the frills with Thukker and some functionality in mind. I already have Stephan Stölting an amazing concept artist working on it and I promise to keep you posted about the development in the near future. Until we finish it you still have to live with a “no frills” Vagabond.

Regards CCP Huskarl


Woot !! \o/

tbh I'm just elated over the fact that there was a thought about this and a response by Devs/CCP. The fact that it is being reviewed and possibly brought back in some iteration is just icing on the cake.