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Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#1881 - 2012-07-29 20:49:01 UTC
95 pages of carebear tears.
Dave stark
#1882 - 2012-07-29 20:49:18 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
95 pages of carebear tears.


96.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1883 - 2012-07-29 20:51:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
baltec1 wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


survey scanner and mlus.


Blah those are optional extras.

That's one thing I don't quite get, that mining ships are pretty near the only ships not expected to use modules that enhance their primary function to be viable.


Tell that to my Impel.

Impel + DCU EHP > All mid/low/rig slot tank EHP on an exhumer.

Edit: Was able to get double actually while still having 2 free lows for expanders and not using the rig slots. I'm pretty bad at fitting on the fly so I'm sure others can do better.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1884 - 2012-07-29 20:53:25 UTC
Dave stark wrote:


who bothers tanking a hauler anyway? max cargo and mwd trick will save you more often.


Too sluggish and can be taken down by a nado if you just fit cargo. The only hauler I dont tank is the blocade runner.
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#1885 - 2012-07-29 20:54:16 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
95 pages of carebear tears.


96.


Let's keep this thread going.

Maybe it'll get longer than the Mittani apology thread.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1886 - 2012-07-29 20:59:03 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:

Impel + DCU EHP > All mid/low/rig slot tank EHP on an exhumer.

Edit: Double actually while still having 2 free lows for expanders and not using the rig slots.


Those expanders reduce the tank.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1887 - 2012-07-29 21:05:44 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:

Impel + DCU EHP > All mid/low/rig slot tank EHP on an exhumer.

Edit: Double actually while still having 2 free lows for expanders and not using the rig slots.


Those expanders reduce the tank.

Filled in those slots with T2 expanders, 55k EHP, no rigs so can get better. Hulk I can get to just under 30k (must be doing something wrong as I'm missing ~2-3k from what most are stating it can have). No boosts/Implants on either.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1888 - 2012-07-29 22:32:21 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Komen wrote:
I started reading this thread, and I got that it SEEMS to be that ganking miners won't be profitable because it'll take too many gankers to accomplish now.

Which leaves gankers a couple options: Gank for fun, and screw the profit, or move on to other pastures in search of profitable PvP. I wish you all the best with whichever path you choose. And remember, in Eve, you must adapt or die. Unless you're a miner, I guess.



Hm, almost good point. But what about the destroyer and T3 BC expansion? Hm, lets see. Well it looks like gankers got a buff (As in couldn't adapt, and sadly wouldn't die) so CCP gave them cake and let them eat it. Lets see again. Now miners get a pretty much the same or equivalent expansion, it its only miners that can't adapt or die or whine too much, or were given cake and now can eat it.



they also took away insurance payouts for concord losses.but please conveniently ignore that some more

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1889 - 2012-07-29 22:37:55 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
They're made by ORE and are noncombat ships so why would they need resists? You can't tell me belt rats are that threatening.

For tanking ganks hopefully to the point that gankers move on to someone else obviously. Also like all the other ships in game they have trouble doing their job as a wreck.


Thankfully they can do this job.


You should try flying a current retriever in a low SP character. Triple 0.6 sec frigs seriously risk to kill you - even shield repairing - before you warp away.

You know, the game has also to cater to those so despised and spat in face newbies.


"i've been playing for three months and i keep losing vagabonds why are they so weak"

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1890 - 2012-07-30 00:01:42 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
They're made by ORE and are noncombat ships so why would they need resists? You can't tell me belt rats are that threatening.

For tanking ganks hopefully to the point that gankers move on to someone else obviously. Also like all the other ships in game they have trouble doing their job as a wreck.


Thankfully they can do this job.


You should try flying a current retriever in a low SP character. Triple 0.6 sec frigs seriously risk to kill you - even shield repairing - before you warp away.

You know, the game has also to cater to those so despised and spat in face newbies.


"i've been playing for three months and i keep losing vagabonds why are they so weak"


A Retriever is clearly on the same advancement level of a Vaga. Roll

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Doomheim
#1891 - 2012-07-30 00:05:01 UTC
"Let them eat cake" is a misquote, and "have your cake and eat it too" is possibly the stupidest cliche ever as it is based entirely on a misquote.

The phrase is from a semi fictional autobiography published before Marie Antionette was queen.
Pipa Porto
#1892 - 2012-07-30 00:06:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:


"i've been playing for three months and i keep losing vagabonds why are they so weak"


A Retriever is clearly on the same advancement level of a Vaga. Roll


"I've been playing for 3 months and I keep losing Stabbers why are they so weak."


Actually, given the SP Reqs for a Retriever (14d),

"I've been playing for 3 months and I keep losing Maelstroms(8d) why are they so weak."

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1893 - 2012-07-30 01:05:45 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
JamesCLK wrote:
And here are todays sisi changes to barges.
Serpentine's EVE wrote:

tldr;
•tech 1 barges now only require Astrogeology III and Mining Barge I
•Covetor and Hulk lose -500hp from shield, armour and structure (about 20% less effective HP than last build)
•Hulk gets increased yield; one of the +3% bonuses gets buffed to +5%/level
•Procurer gets a massive 4 mid slots (+3 from last build) making it quite tough
•Retriever ore hold goes from 30k to 28k, but more forgiving of those with low barge piloting skills
•Exhumer shields reset to t1 resists + 5% per level (I think – hard to read diffs sometimes)
•Mining crystals reduced to half the volume (inb4 mineral compression….)


Eat your hearts out. P


Yeah the "discussion" in the feedback forum is going strong.

I don't get why a T2 ship should get T1 resists plus something. T2 ships are meant to get T2 resists else they should drop the cost from 250M to 25M and be T1.


They're made by ORE and are noncombat ships so why would they need resists? You can't tell me belt rats are that threatening.


i assume you've not tried tanking a triple bs rat spawn in 0.0 with a hulk have you? it's not exactly like running a level 2 in a drake...


Those don't spawn in highsec so I don't think you know what you're talking about.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1894 - 2012-07-30 01:08:27 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
They're made by ORE and are noncombat ships so why would they need resists? You can't tell me belt rats are that threatening.

For tanking ganks hopefully to the point that gankers move on to someone else obviously. Also like all the other ships in game they have trouble doing their job as a wreck.


You know in six or so months from now when you're crying in a thread about crashing low ends I'm going to laugh so hard and point you to this thread.

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Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#1895 - 2012-07-30 01:11:24 UTC
MinefieldS wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
Oh he mad.


But is he wrong?

Nope.

Fitted properly, a Hulk cannot be profitably ganked.

How about a fleet of 30ish velators w/ cheap blasters?


Never underestimate large amounts of Noobships


Also, could I get a link to the devblog or whatever that mentions a Exhumer/Barge Buff?

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Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#1896 - 2012-07-30 01:41:06 UTC
This thread makes me feel like doing some mining.

Used to mine in Placid, the loops in low sec, y'know? Evaded an enyo and a claw in my cloaky hulk through two gates, them with their drones out within 5000 m.

Now i mine in null. Haven't lost a hulk yet, it's been 6 months. Vagabond, stiletto, dramiel and of course the obligatory hound tackle/cynabal gang have all failed to lock me up.
Because i do it right.

gf guise gf

Wouldn't have a clue about all them numbers, if you think stats are fun why undock? Or even log on?


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Reiisha
#1897 - 2012-07-30 01:51:07 UTC
Fun to see people whine who's motivation clearly is to only pvp when their targets cannot defend themselves :)

I doubt they can even see the joke in this.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Jypsie
Wandering Star Enterprises
#1898 - 2012-07-30 02:04:04 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
Fun to see people whine who's motivation clearly is to only pvp when their targets cannot defend themselves :)

I doubt they can even see the joke in this.


96 pages of ganker tears.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1899 - 2012-07-30 02:10:38 UTC
Jypsie wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
Fun to see people whine who's motivation clearly is to only pvp when their targets cannot defend themselves :)

I doubt they can even see the joke in this.


96 pages of ganker tears.

You've clearly read none of them, since there are actually no ganker tears to be found.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Tiamet Cordova
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1900 - 2012-07-30 02:12:07 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
And before this thread fills up with endless gloating threads from miners....(and why shouldn't they gloat? They think CCP just handed them the keys to the kingdom - removed the LAST risk they faced in highsec....)

Realize this: if you are a miner who is reading this thread, chances are YOU are the Third Little Pig.
The one that stands to benefit from knowledge of good fits and how to avoid a gank.

Sure, in reality the Wolf won't try to blow your door in. He'll move along and kick down another straw house....

but allowing the stubborn...the new....the bots to feed at the same trough 'without risk' means an impending crash in mineral prices - and the smart miners end up suffering.

So, gloat away......



this is way off. because beefing up low end mining barges wont make miners mine more.... It wont make miners yield more. it simply takes away the ability for effortless griefing and gives ships that were ignored a use again after reaching the hulk.