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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1901 - 2012-07-30 02:14:14 UTC
posting in epic 97 page thread that won't be read

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Jypsie
Wandering Star Enterprises
#1902 - 2012-07-30 02:18:04 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

No, I'm not, you are!
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1903 - 2012-07-30 02:25:46 UTC
Jypsie wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

No, I'm not, you are!



Except my assessment of gankers not crying doesn't include me, because I'm not a ganker.
My position is significantly more objective.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1904 - 2012-07-30 02:35:40 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
Fun to see people whine who's motivation clearly is to only pvp when their targets cannot defend themselves :)

I doubt they can even see the joke in this.


I don't know why you miners always use this argument. You aren't getting ganked because people are afraid to risk their ship, they know well ahead of time that they are risking a ship, instead you're getting ganked because you whine and tantrum over it. The most hilarious part of all of this is that you wouldn't get ganked at all if you actually fit a tank. Like I said earlier though in ~6months when minerals crash because of the bot friendly environment brought about by these changes I'm going to laugh at you "smart" miners.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1905 - 2012-07-30 02:37:24 UTC
Tiamet Cordova wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
And before this thread fills up with endless gloating threads from miners....(and why shouldn't they gloat? They think CCP just handed them the keys to the kingdom - removed the LAST risk they faced in highsec....)

Realize this: if you are a miner who is reading this thread, chances are YOU are the Third Little Pig.
The one that stands to benefit from knowledge of good fits and how to avoid a gank.

Sure, in reality the Wolf won't try to blow your door in. He'll move along and kick down another straw house....

but allowing the stubborn...the new....the bots to feed at the same trough 'without risk' means an impending crash in mineral prices - and the smart miners end up suffering.

So, gloat away......



this is way off. because beefing up low end mining barges wont make miners mine more.... It wont make miners yield more. it simply takes away the ability for effortless griefing and gives ships that were ignored a use again after reaching the hulk.


Making something easier attracts more people to the profession which means more minerals will be being mined. More minerals being mined means more supply available which drives cost down. I never took an econ class and even I know that when somethings more common it generally gets cheaper.

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1906 - 2012-07-30 02:37:56 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jypsie wrote:
96 pages of ganker tears.

You've clearly read none of them, since there are actually no ganker tears to be found.

I don't know what's worse; that you actually think people will buy this drivel or that you believe it to be true yourself.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1907 - 2012-07-30 02:46:56 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jypsie wrote:
96 pages of ganker tears.

You've clearly read none of them, since there are actually no ganker tears to be found.

I don't know what's worse; that you actually think people will buy this drivel or that you believe it to be true yourself.

I think what's even worse is that you seem to feel entitled to safety in hisec.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1908 - 2012-07-30 02:51:38 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:


No, the low level ones are useless and have no purpose. The only reason Macks are flown is because of their ice bonus.


This is a great way to highlight your complete and total lack of understanding of how mining works in anything other than a .5 system. try mining merc with a hulk while the guy next to you in that small "worthless" ship mines more than twice per cycle what you do while laughing his ass off at the "idiot" mining merc in a hulk.

The LULZ Boat.
Jypsie
Wandering Star Enterprises
#1909 - 2012-07-30 02:53:42 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
...instead you're getting ganked because you whine and tantrum over it...


Awesome, we've circled back to posts around 116'ish
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1910 - 2012-07-30 03:02:03 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jypsie wrote:
96 pages of ganker tears.

You've clearly read none of them, since there are actually no ganker tears to be found.

I don't know what's worse; that you actually think people will buy this drivel or that you believe it to be true yourself.

I think what's even worse is that you seem to feel entitled to safety in hisec.

A long-needed buff to mining ships does not equate to the end of suicide ganks or risk in high sec for that matter. That you're having an emotional breakdown over this is really not justified at all.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Pipa Porto
#1911 - 2012-07-30 03:09:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jypsie wrote:
96 pages of ganker tears.

You've clearly read none of them, since there are actually no ganker tears to be found.

I don't know what's worse; that you actually think people will buy this drivel or that you believe it to be true yourself.

I think what's even worse is that you seem to feel entitled to safety in hisec.

A long-needed buff to mining ships does not equate to the end of suicide ganks or risk in high sec for that matter. That you're having an emotional breakdown over this is really not justified at all.


The original numbers would have given every Exhumer enough tank that it would be ridiculously expensive to gank them.

The new numbers are almost there. Bring the Mack's tank down a notch to let the Skiff be useful, and bring the Skiff's ore hold down to let the Mack be useful once the Mack's tank goes down, and you have 3 Ships that are useful.

Miners will have a choice.

See that's the thing. Buffing the Skiff and Mack is great. Gives them a reason to exist outside of Mercx and Ice. Buffing the Tank on everything was unnecessary.

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-RubyPorto
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#1912 - 2012-07-30 03:32:40 UTC
Tiamet Cordova wrote:



this is way off. because beefing up low end mining barges wont make miners mine more.... It wont make miners yield more. it simply takes away the ability for effortless griefing and gives ships that were ignored a use again after reaching the hulk.



No, you fail to understand.
Nothing to do with mining 'more'.

Ganked miners mine less. Supply is impacted, driving up mineral prices for those who mine intelligently and protect their T2 300M investments with 4-5 Million in T2 mods.

Stupid miners die, smart miners get higher returns on their efforts. As it should be.
Do all miners fail at economics as badly as you do?
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1913 - 2012-07-30 03:40:06 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jypsie wrote:
96 pages of ganker tears.

You've clearly read none of them, since there are actually no ganker tears to be found.

I don't know what's worse; that you actually think people will buy this drivel or that you believe it to be true yourself.

I think what's even worse is that you seem to feel entitled to safety in hisec.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1914 - 2012-07-30 03:41:34 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Tiamet Cordova wrote:



this is way off. because beefing up low end mining barges wont make miners mine more.... It wont make miners yield more. it simply takes away the ability for effortless griefing and gives ships that were ignored a use again after reaching the hulk.



No, you fail to understand.
Nothing to do with mining 'more'.

Ganked miners mine less. Supply is impacted, driving up mineral prices for those who mine intelligently and protect their T2 300M investments with 4-5 Million in T2 mods.

Stupid miners die, smart miners get higher returns on their efforts. As it should be.
Do all miners fail at economics as badly as you do?


Ask them if the minerals they mine are free and you'll figure that one out right away.

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1915 - 2012-07-30 03:52:09 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
They're made by ORE and are noncombat ships so why would they need resists? You can't tell me belt rats are that threatening.

For tanking ganks hopefully to the point that gankers move on to someone else obviously. Also like all the other ships in game they have trouble doing their job as a wreck.


You know in six or so months from now when you're crying in a thread about crashing low ends I'm going to laugh so hard and point you to this thread.

Too bad that will never happen.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1916 - 2012-07-30 03:59:19 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
They're made by ORE and are noncombat ships so why would they need resists? You can't tell me belt rats are that threatening.

For tanking ganks hopefully to the point that gankers move on to someone else obviously. Also like all the other ships in game they have trouble doing their job as a wreck.


You know in six or so months from now when you're crying in a thread about crashing low ends I'm going to laugh so hard and point you to this thread.

Too bad that will never happen.


Are the minerals you mine free?

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1917 - 2012-07-30 04:00:13 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
They're made by ORE and are noncombat ships so why would they need resists? You can't tell me belt rats are that threatening.

For tanking ganks hopefully to the point that gankers move on to someone else obviously. Also like all the other ships in game they have trouble doing their job as a wreck.


You know in six or so months from now when you're crying in a thread about crashing low ends I'm going to laugh so hard and point you to this thread.

Too bad that will never happen.


Are the minerals you mine free?

Nothing is free
Pipa Porto
#1918 - 2012-07-30 04:22:23 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:

Nothing is free


Except my love.

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-RubyPorto
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1919 - 2012-07-30 04:22:55 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
A Retriever is clearly on the same advancement level of a Vaga. Roll


perhaps not, but an exhumer is

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1920 - 2012-07-30 04:24:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
A long-needed buff to mining ships does not equate to the end of suicide ganks or risk in high sec for that matter. That you're having an emotional breakdown over this is really not justified at all.


"Long-needed"

The only change needed was to give mining ships the ability to fit a proper tank while sacrificing yield - and the Hulk was already more than capable of this, the Mackinaw to a lesser extent. Miners didn't want to make such difficult decisions like "should I lose my ship or make 5m more isk"

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