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I was jumped by ~10 man recon gang in my WH tengu once. I was able to tank / shoot / drive them off long enough for my 2 minute self destruct timer to go off, and deny the bastards my loot. (They also lost a recon trying to keep tackle while the sleepers pounded on him ^-^)

Another time my freighter came under attack from corp killers. I was able to get another character in a logi and rep him long enough for the self destruct timer to go off, thus denying them everything I was hauling + a killmail.

These changes make self destructing completely useless, and only adds to the "Omg I must have a killmail" attitude of pvp. I've had several targets self destruct on me, and it does get a tad annoying if they succeed. But honestly, if they can hold out that long against me, then they deserve the right of denying me a killmail.

What's the point of self destruct now?

Why even have SD other than for pod expressing? With these changes ship SD can now be completely removed from the game.

I support these changes. As it stood SD just brought another reason to bring overwhelming firepower to the table. Which, just for the record, is a bad thing.

i think self-desctructed ships should not drop loot. increase timers on bigger ships. kill it in time to get loot. it should generate killmails though but the final blow should go to the killed ship's pilot.

So. Much. Win.

I too have lost a lot of carrier kill mails over the years with people that we have caught self destructing on us. HATED not getting the kill mails, but to be honest if you push the big red button on the old core overload thingee (see Alien self destruct sequence) then to be honest there should be no loot.

You've overloaded your ships core to produce a deliberate nuke. Thats fine I'm good with it, but I'd suggest that from now on if you want to self destruct - fine, it will stop loot from dropping but you get podded at the same time.

Just a suggestion, either way delighted to see CCP do this but this would give self destruct a meaning (and a further penalty).

+1

At the risk of sounding like I'm banging a drum I really feel like there has to be some gameplay difference between someone self-destructing and being blown up. As it is with these changes CCP might as well just rename the self-destruct menu option to "I'm bored now" or "I'm stuck in WH space" and make the timer 10 seconds, since the outcome will be identical whether you SD or not. The delay becomes irrelevant with these changes.

Producing kill reports for self-destructs imo fixes 99.9% of the problem - I honestly don't feel like most people in these circumstances care about the loot, or at least it is a secondary concern.

Scuttling ones ship has long been a feature in battle and it is a perfectly valid and legitimate way of denying your enemy intel. Whilst this doesn't directly translate to Eve (a kill report will tell your enemies everything you had fitted, and it's not like you're carrying blueprints for an Enigma machine or something) the idea that a victim has an last act of defiance option is a good one imo. I've had capitals self-destruct on me in wormholes - arguably it's a much bigger problem there than elsewhere - and whilst it has been annoying at the time not to get a killmail I don't have a problem with a victim having the option of giving us the finger by self-destructing and denying us something.

I really hope CCP reconsider the idea that SDs drop loot in exactly the same way normal ship explosions do. It should imo drop no modules with a chance to drop cargo items & drones - i.e. as it is currently.

Maybe if you actually had to rig them it would be reasonable, but you don't and letting you choose to destroy all your modules and cargo is and always has been stupid.

You think it's reasonable for every single ship in eve to have explosives rigged up everywhere that'll do more damage than any external attack could ? What exactly would the roleplay reason be ? Spite ? HURR DURR I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO LOOT MY COLD DEAD CORPSE DURRRRR
It would be a waste of resources, just like nobody would fit a rig that let them do what they can do for free now over extra shields or damage. (RP wise it would also be a huge stupid risk to have explosives like that setup everywhere)

Yeah you want to be able to give the middle finger to the guy killing you, buhu sucks to be you, try doing so by not dying next time or by killing him instead, or hiring merceneries, or infiltrating his corp.

You were supposed to remove insurance payouts and the option to SD inside a POS forcefield, not add loot drops.

But the killmail part is pure win.

To be fair, this is why you shoot stuff in this game in the first place.

+1 to no loot drop and add AOE damage on self-destruct that scales with ship type. A cruiser might kill pods inside ~5-10km and a Titan should blow up all untanked cruisers on grid, sort the rest accordingly.