EVE General Discussion

Just saying....

"in the classic telling of "the myth of pure evil," the innocent, well-meaning victims are going about their business when they are suddenly assaulted by wicked, malicious evildoers. In actuality, the situation is more complicated and it is mostly—though not always—the case that the victim has done something to provoke the ire of the "evildoer" although the subsequent actions may outweigh the scale of the "victim's" initial offense"


But this has nothing to do with why people don't PVP. I don't even think the OP is reading this thread anymore.






Also, to the guy above me. You are full of ****. No 3 decently fitted, remotely well flown set of 3 tengus can be killed by a single pilot. If that actually happened then it is not because of the skill of the 2 day old, it is do to the the ridiculous stupidity of the 3 tengu pilots that is to blame. As a PVP'er I know that sometimes you get lucky and find such stupid people to blow up, but unlike most other PVP'ers I do not feel as though I should be decorated for it Pathetic...

Because they enjoy playing other aspects of the game. Because they don't enjoy the "core aspects" you enjoy doesn't mean they're wrong and you're right.


In paintball there is ONE goal that drives the entire game: Shoot other players. That's it. Comparing Eve to paintball is, quite frankly, an extremely narrow view.

To me, berating and ridiculing other players (as you have done in this thread) because you lack the foresight to see Eve as more than just a game to shoot people is what's ludicrous.

Sometimes I have this odd desire to grab some newbies and go to Delve (where I hear there are openings for newbie alliances).

Then I look at Jabber and there's a newbie asking why everyone says to web Makalu if they see him. Aww...

Matrix, I see where you're coming from, but I have to call you out on your own words. You accuse PvP'ers of stripping a much larger game down to a single element (incorrect since we're forced to do some kind of PvE to support PvP- it's care bears that abandon whole parts of the game) but do it yourself.
Paintball is almost universally based on Capture The Flag. It is not a COD multi-player style death match normally. There is a whole lot more to it than just shooting people for the sake of raising welts.

The capture the flag analogy is actually a good one for the counter to your points. The flag is a resource worth attaining and protecting- like moon goo - and all the shooting is in support of that notion- the value of that resource.

The problem arises when care bears don't want their stuff to have any value (because having valuables makes you a target) until they hit sell and get the reward.
I'm sure the East India Trading Company would have loved to not require actually protecting their resource wells in far flung parts of the world. It would have been much better to farm tea, grab slaves, then some sugar cane....all without investing in armed escort, securing trade lanes, and dealing with piracy and natural disaster. But then, if were like that, none of their products would have been valuable and made anyone rich.

It's a pretty simple concept- Risk vs Reward......PvP'ers get this. Care bears don't.

Regardless of how it actually works in game play- the rewards should be in line with the level of risk involved- that's not only the RL basis for the model, but quite simply what makes it a 'game' and not just a calculator with fancy graphics.
Part of any Eve business model should be security and protection of your resources- running a bank requires cost overhead for armed security, armored cars to move cash around, administration to do background checks and monitor surveillance systems, etc.
In Eve this translates to either learning to defend yourself (and buying the ships to do it) or paying someone else to do it for you. Not only is that sorta the core principal of the game, but pretty much all commerce everywhere.

THIS IN SPADES ! CCP NEEDS TO PAY ATTENTION TO THIS GUY.
(PLEX bank here running down too.)

Blob warfare is boring IMHO so I only find small 2-3 gangs fun. But also, for me the game is most interesting when finding ways to make profit. When small gang PvP if its profitable count me in, but most of the time its just a isk sink. If I wanted pew/pew without any point I would play a FPS. Looking to get it WH when my scanning skills are more up to par so we will see how it goes.

yk

"There's a rifter on top of us ... rifter is primary ... will someone kill that rifter ... kill the rifter ..."

"Why are the lokis moving so slow?"

This is indeed true.

The real problem with it, however, is that getting in on these functions is much harder than in most other games, in a large part due to alts and paranoia about alts. About the only success stories these days are people who explicitly join a community at birth, because of an off-world association with it. Like Goons or TEST.

Well if you dig well enough in the recruitment forum you may still find good "traditional" (not relying on 3rd party community) corps as I have said above. But they are scarce indeed. It's as easy to find a mediocre-to-bad corp in EvE as it is finding a mediocre to bad guild in other MMOs. The effects are different though.

In the other MMOs a mediocre guild will just slow you down and you can drop them fast and it's easy and "recovering the lost terrain" is also easy.
In EvE instead, a mediocre corp is an hard cap, will make you want stop subbing, you often end up fairly tied with them (can't even quit a corp without dropping roles and what about shared assets etc...) and then you are in a true uphill battle to gain the lost terrain.

I do PvP, but it's been quite slow lately, haven't found a good place to be in really in a while - altough revamped FW seems quite interesting.

Anyway, generally only thing keeping me back is the cost of PVP. I'm not very good at making ISK, and often keep large pauses to stockpile it for PvP pandemonium. However shipcost isn't even half of the issue, it's the clone costs. This character's fairly old now and while I think the costs are around ~10 million ISK a pop so not even huge compared to older characters, it's still prohibitively expensive to lose a clone + implants. If the clone costs would get slashed by like 90% then I'd probably PVP a fair bit more.