EVE General Discussion

ok i am sure that your blog will give us a clear view on how you think station environments will be

ok your definition of core teck and mine are apaently radicaly diferent.

Core tec for a mmo is

Being able to move in a resonable /realistic manor
Being able to have a camera that is both easy to use and not a hinderance to combat.
Being able to, on the lowest designed settings, properly handle multiple simultaniously active actors that are not performing the same actions.

given that criteria what we have is not a "tech demo". it was computer generated animated concept art.

and as I have pointed out elsewhere, companies who have spent HALF the reported total manyears of developer time have managed to produce Functioning single player game engines. (which Aparently I need to remind you you was suposed to be the NEXT step in the Development of WiS, not a multi player mmo, we were suposed to have "non combat" areas for us to interact with eachother, and Single player "missions" given to us by special WiS agents. why? because they realised that it would take a lot of time for the exising Engine to handle the third core thing a game engine needs to do given the limmits of existing, and theoretical development of graphic cards.)

Not Computer generated concept art.

I will grant that some of thoes companies have also spent more man hours develiping an Engine thats still Vaporware.... Which ironicaly seems to be a bit of a warning to developers that trying to reinvent the wheel from scratch is not something you can pull off with any degree or hope of success without spending geometricaly increasing manyears of work.

Oh snap!

You may make them "available" to everyone, but your mechanics will render them unplayable outside of nullsec ubercorporations, much as DeMichael Crimsom already pointed out.

You at least could compromise and split those dungeons into levels, from "solo - no PvP allowed" to "full scale - big monies for the goonies".

That doesn't sorts what to do with people who don't feel like raiding dungeons, but at last would be fairer than hand out the first functional WiS content to those who never asked it, nor waited for it, nor gave a damm of it.

This does not exist in EVE unless you're docked up spinning your ship. Why should it be added in? It's pretty much anathema to the entire philosophy of EVE.

I can feel a bit of excitement in the air. I'm a new player, but am now getting a sense of what things were like pre-Incarna and can now understand why people were furious when it didn't deliver. All this news has us worked up, even though the majority of the community is a bit bitter and jaded over the previous failure to live up to expectations. Please deliver on what you have been teasing at.

As opposed to,

Game design that's supports both solo and multiplayer without erecting stupid walls or silly rules. An elegant solution (or a sandbox solution) is providing players with content and opportunities and letting nature take its course. Adjusting natural laws for gameplay considerations should be used sparingly, you more you do it the less sandboxy things become.

Well thats me, but im a big proponent of immersion.

Maybe the meaning has been lost through comments, but in my first message i was suggesting to have dungeons for every playstyle and location, and not just a one-fits-all that could only work in nullsec ubercorporations with manpower an intel nets and the resources necessary to not be blown to bits nor backstabbed while you spend hours (which I don't have anyway) exploring a site.

By the way, I would like to explain where i am comign from with this Wis discussion. I have been missing solo/casual/hisec endgame content in EVE after trying the other content I interested myself. I believe that adding more content to the already saturated FiS gameplay is going to become increasingly tricky due to the complexity of the game and the interaction between new and old stuff, so I figured that, as WiS was to be something different and new, it would be easier to use WiS as a gateway to add the kind of content i miss (solo, casual, hisec) along with the average EVE orthodoxy. WiS could become "alternate" gameplay to limit the explosive interaction with the delicate balance of FiS.

The first ambulation teaser caught my attention late in my time in the game, when it already was dead and buried, but then where sounding drums about Incarna taking the place of Ambulation. Then Incarna turned how it tuned and now I see how CCP is planning to implement it in a way that will only favor nullsec ubercorporations, and any possibility to get some alternate gameplay that is not the same old drill is not even considered.

I expected WiS to come as a daring revolution to catch the hope and dreams of existing and unsuspecting wannabe players and now it's ending up as a stronghold of orthodoxy that won't lure anyone into the game (there are far better dungeon raiders out there) and will reward the ones who opposed WiS (FiS kings of the hill) and slap the ones who believed the last 6-7 years of PR about it.

Oh, I am aware of the "making this will make easier that" argument. But that's putting a huge bet on CCP's manpower to do more than one major content at a time. Iterate FiS + iterate dungeon raiding + "magically now we can implement social and other gameplay too" doesn't sounds likely. Let alone in the "no Jesus features" land...

This is total win imo... Good job sir. Not only that, it would be quite revolutionary to the gaming industry, as Dust 514 "might" be.. I say might because CCP has proven in the past to utterly fail to bring what they promised to the table in a timely fashion.

TO have not 2 but 3 games interlinked liked this? would be quite epic.