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New dev blog: The FW Exploit 2012 (or: How I learned about FOREX)

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CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2012-06-28 15:45:14 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Navigator
CCP Sreegs has been busy investigating a recent event and now he's here to tell you all about the results. Check out the blog and give us your feedback right here.

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard

Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2012-06-28 15:45:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Aryth
Sometimes Emergent Gameplay means dunking so hard you break the backboard!



I can't say we are happy about this decision, but we respect it. Being unwound is a good thing as it gets us our capital back, and at least shows CCP wanted to be fair here. I applaud that decision.


Highest Kill Value ever in EVE? http://imgur.com/1fSsT

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-06-28 15:46:38 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
Yo the blog is broken.

e: Fixed now.

Aryth wins for the largest kill, but only because he had an iteron V pilot available. http://i.imgur.com/EE02F.png is what you can...er, could...do with bestowers.


I'd like to bring up a point for discussion.

Quote:
I wrote a blog on "Responsible Disclosures" a year or so ago. In that blog I mention that telling us about something after you've used the heck out of it isn't what we consider to be responsible. We do our best to be lenient in cases such as this but we want this to serve as a notice to the community that the proper time to alert us to the issue was before actually using the system. I can understand a desire to test the limits but we don't believe two weeks of testing a bug or exploit should net a tremendous benefit in lieu of reporting it in the first place, and that is another reason why the LP activity will be reversed back to zero.


Is this saying that if we'd reported it, and then taken advantage of it to the fullest extent possible before you'd fixed it, that we'd have kept our profits? I'm sure the five of us involved aren't the only ones curious about this. Blink

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo

CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#4 - 2012-06-28 15:49:19 UTC
I may not like what this graph represents, but I do like graphs.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-06-28 15:50:53 UTC
"The person who reported the issue will receive the usual PLEX for Snitches reward."

aahahahahaha

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#6 - 2012-06-28 15:50:59 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
I may not like what this graph represents, but I do like graphs.


We can agree without being agreeable

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012

RAP ACTION HERO
#7 - 2012-06-28 15:51:09 UTC
WELP

vitoc erryday

ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-06-28 15:51:53 UTC
:D

No Worries

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-06-28 15:52:27 UTC
Could've been worse vOv

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2012-06-28 15:52:28 UTC
That graph is one of the most hilarious things I've ever seen.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Blawrf McTaggart
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-06-28 15:53:51 UTC
hey sreegs i hate to point this out but you seem to be missing an axis there well ok see ya
Aryndel Vyst
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-06-28 15:54:17 UTC
SREEGS
Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Legion
#13 - 2012-06-28 15:54:33 UTC
What sort of metrics does CCP watch for to catch these kinds of exploits? And what sort of systems can be put in place to understand why LP is coming from nothing, similar to how tech was coming from nothing under the previous silo duplication exploit?
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#14 - 2012-06-28 15:54:50 UTC
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
hey sreegs i hate to point this out but you seem to be missing an axis there well ok see ya


whoops

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2012-06-28 15:55:55 UTC
If he doesn't correct the graph, the major axis lines on it have to be at least 200m LP.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo

CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#16 - 2012-06-28 15:56:23 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Sreegs
Kismeteer wrote:
What sort of metrics does CCP watch for to catch these kinds of exploits? And what sort of systems can be put in place to understand why LP is coming from nothing, similar to how tech was coming from nothing under the previous silo duplication exploit?


Without getting into too much detail things as simple as watching top LP gains by player is a fairly simple one. If you look at the graph provided you really only had to look at the LP at all to see it spike. The other indicator is LP by faction. All the other factions are kinda even keep and Minmitar was like OH HI!

:edit: I just realized I only half answered your question but I want to leave it that way for the time being.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012

Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2012-06-28 15:56:24 UTC
That graph is a thing of beauty. I like it how it has 5 points too, with one little baby point down at the bottom. That was probably querns. You can just hear the glass shattering!

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.

CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#18 - 2012-06-28 15:57:14 UTC
corestwo wrote:
If he doesn't correct the graph, the major axis lines on it have to be at least 200m LP.


The graph was edited on purpose as we didn't see the value in divulging the number. The disparity is what's important.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012

Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2012-06-28 15:57:38 UTC
corestwo wrote:
If he doesn't correct the graph, the major axis lines on it have to be at least 200m LP.


Sshh. They just handed us more data that only we know the true axis on. Heheheheh. Reverse engineer!

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.

Blawrf McTaggart
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-06-28 15:57:59 UTC
sort of a Daily Mail graph then
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