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Dont forget PvE in the next expension

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Iluminat
Sharp Dressed Man
#21 - 2011-10-06 16:21:54 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
t3
pi
incursions
walking in a rusty close/space barbie
scanning revamped several times over
new missions, one of which I have accepted and am waiting to run later tonite
in game agent finder
agent revamp
noctis
and if you aren't a total *****, wormholes


CCP is clearly ignoring PvE.


Ok here we go:

t3 = not much PvE action is it?
PI = nice way to make some isk. Not much action in that.
Incursions = ok i'll give some credits for that. Not bad
Walkin in station = PvE content?
New missions? = most missions offered are the same as 6 years ago
In game agend finder = only improved in 6 years. Not really PvE action
Agent revamp? yes to clear mission hubs
Noctis = ok great ship !!!
Wormholes? = was fun a couple of times
Factional War = countless treats of complains.

Perramas
DreddNaut
#22 - 2011-10-06 16:34:18 UTC
As bad as the PvE content is in EVE SoV warfare, FW, Small gang PvP and super capital balance are worse off.

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HaxTis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2011-10-06 17:48:17 UTC
yes it is true that the last few expansions have done more for pve then pvp. however pve needs way more attention like 100% more content. and as far as pvp needing attention. lolz dont make me laugh. the universe could use a expansion like 25-50%
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2011-10-06 18:39:49 UTC
Othran wrote:
You got two expansions of PVE. Tyrannis and Incursions.

Time for some attention to PvP.


Well PvP content in generall is created by players hence the name Player vs Player or in Eve BvB.

But i guess i know what you meant by conent : fixing/balancing hybrids/drones and making FW matter in larger scale of things..

FW is something like big 0.0 warfare however without consequences now.. give it consequences and more people be willing to fight for what they "believe" ...

Thats how i see it anyway.
mkint
#25 - 2011-10-06 18:40:09 UTC  |  Edited by: mkint
OP is right... the mission system needs to be brought up to date. Just not in the winter expansion. Maybe step by step over the next several expansions.

The way I envision it is creating "incursion style" variations of the existing missions with a "random mutation" factor. Some parts of the mission would be different every single time anybody does the mission, meaning nobody ever gets the exact same mission twice. The mutations could be random, or they could make sure that better ships/fittings/pilots have a more challenging mission and better income (also would allow missions to scale to fleet sizes.) Either way, mission mutation + incursion AI would add a lot of longevity to existing missions, and if done right, make it easy to add new content without a lot of dev time.

Of course, it should be a gradual implementation... start with one lvl 1 agent per faction switched to incursion agents, get feedback, and work up from there... done over the course of 2-3 years before all the lvl 4 agents are completely replaced.

I could also picture courier missions adding combat ambushes, and mining missions paying as much as actual mining.

But no, none of this should be done in Winter. For it to be done right, and to make EVE PVE a viable long term game, it needs some long term development.

Random thoughts: How cool would it be if at some point you kill a faction spawn, get a faction mod, from then on you start to regularly encounter the NPC you looted it from as he constantly tries to get it back... your own NPC arch nemesis. Or a salvage thief shows up in a frig, so the mission's frigs peel off or new ones spawn and start hunting him as a more viable target for their weapon systems (and yes, he should be able to successfully fight them off.) Or a mission where the goal is to muscle through a constantly respawning meat grinder (should you use a frig, or a battleship?) Or in Worlds Collide, you can get the two pirate factions to start fighting each other. Or you take a Thanatos into a mission, so it spawns a dread.

EVE's PVE has so much potential to be interesting and engaging, if it weren't just "fly here, kill that, dock, get a new mission, repeat ad nauseum."

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Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2011-10-06 19:08:06 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
Thread cleaned from off-topic and trolling posts.

There are no trolls in these forums. They are hairy and live usually in games with magic missiles and swords.

Anyway to the topic... Industrial revolution in nullsec could provide more mixed PVE/PVP content to that region. Whether that will happen or not, I still agree that hisec has had it's share during the past. Fixing old issues, no matter where they are, is most important atm. The list Zulu provided has items which are long overdue already. It is good the get 'em sorted out before anything else.

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Versuvius Marii
Browncoats of Persephone
#27 - 2011-10-06 19:27:09 UTC
Zagam wrote:

EVE is not a PVE centric game. Its a PvP centric game, as that is where the "end game" is. You don't see supercarriers and titans in hisec, do you?
That's owing more to CCP banning them from entering, rather than a lack of PVP in high sec. If it were possible to use one, you can bet your ass they'd be there camping Jita 4-4.

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iNfeck7ed
Strange Basement INC
#28 - 2011-10-06 19:41:30 UTC
Iluminat wrote:
It's boring after 6 years of the same content.
New ships for the same missions doesn't change a lot.
O and change the size of the universe cause i want to
boldly go where no man has gone before

And no you can't have my stuff


God dammit, another complaint! Jesus christ, everyone thinks that CCP can change absolutely everything in Eve by the Winter. Get fking clue. The list is fixing things that from a techy pov can be accomplished in a short time. Revamping PvE is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Make a post about what you would like to see changed in the appropriate forums like "new ideas" forum, or whatever it's called. But, PvE is not getting a total revamp by Winter, sheesh.
Sader Rykane
Midnight Sentinels
#29 - 2011-10-06 19:58:01 UTC
Othran wrote:
You got two expansions of PVE. Tyrannis and Incursions.

Time for some attention to PvP.


It's a sad day when Tyrannis can be reffered to as a PvE Expansion.
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#30 - 2011-10-06 20:05:30 UTC
I bet the op has never run a level 5, done all 10/10 DED plexes or spent time in C6's.

There is plenty of PVE content out there if you stop mission running.

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Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
#31 - 2011-10-06 20:17:59 UTC
There isn't really such a bright line between PvE features and PvP features IMO. For example, wormholes enhanced both. Anything that draws more players into hostile territory aids PvP. Probably the best thing that could happen for PvP would be improvements in PvE content in low sec, npc null sec and wormholes that would draw more pilots into those areas. In my view, anything you do outside of hi sec or safe alliance 0.0 is pvp. Driving more players into those systems should be the top goal on the pvp front IMO.
Iluminat
Sharp Dressed Man
#32 - 2011-10-06 20:20:24 UTC
Kitty McKitty wrote:
I bet the op has never run a level 5, done all 10/10 DED plexes or spent time in C6's.

There is plenty of PVE content out there if you stop mission running.

Check my corp history. I,ve had my deal in the Red moon federation. Even did fly side by side with cyvokfirst titan
Ruah Piskonit
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#33 - 2011-10-06 20:30:25 UTC
I can never understand why people want more pve.

Pve is the time sink. If you want that, go play Civ or something, EvE is supposed to be an MMO, as such, if you don't want to interact, don't play it.

If anything CCP has been pandering to the PvE crowd (lists above) and here we are now with an over protected 'safe space' mentality, the wawa cry cry Motsu mentality, and a general lack of backbone.

Get out
Hobogear
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2011-10-06 20:35:16 UTC
what i belive the op is talking about is the fact all you really do is shoot red crosses. to make eve pve better is actually really hard. i mean it would take a revamp of the whole system better ai and maybe even more randomness.
Candente
Navy Veteran Club
#35 - 2011-10-06 21:28:26 UTC
Ruah Piskonit wrote:
I can never understand why people want more pve.

Pve is the time sink. If you want that, go play Civ or something, EvE is supposed to be an MMO, as such, if you don't want to interact, don't play it.

If anything CCP has been pandering to the PvE crowd (lists above) and here we are now with an over protected 'safe space' mentality, the wawa cry cry Motsu mentality, and a general lack of backbone.

Get out


eve pve != solo

your time sink != my time sink

Though I do agree that there have been much pve addition and revamp in the late patches. I guess it's just easier for CCP to reach out the low hanging fruit than to rebalance some of the pvp suff
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#36 - 2011-10-06 21:30:41 UTC

It was mentioned in in-game chat today that CCP will be implementing high-sec moon mining in the winter expansion? Can that possibly be correct??

Dum Spiro Spero

Generals4
#37 - 2011-10-06 21:32:28 UTC
Iluminat wrote:
I'm glad you all still like to rescue the damsel


Nah we just go hunt Sanshas now.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#38 - 2011-10-06 21:34:13 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
Thread cleaned from off-topic and trolling posts.


Impossible.
Iluminat
Sharp Dressed Man
#39 - 2011-10-06 23:27:07 UTC
I know that with a lot of different people you have a lot of different playing styles here in eve.
A lot of people complain about PvP. And they have a right to complain and i dont argue about that.
A lot of people dont complain about missions cause they use them to finance a PvP toon.

At this moment i play solo and when you play solo you need to have content.
I would like to see fast changing content. Content that does make you stick for a while.
Fast in and out high speed missions, NPC bounty hunting missions, cov ops missions or other stuff like that.
Make arenas like DED space where you fight for the honour and glory instead of the faction loot.
Make an ingame killboard for the best fighters so you would have a PvE challenge
Do something about the anonymous red crosses we shoot know.
Be creative CCP.

Shure when you're new in eve there is lot to do and everything is fresh.
But older players must confess that the rate of changes and content is slow.
Lots of people here still play eve because they got friends here and they get attached to there caracter but
do they stick for the fresh content presented every time?

Dont get me wrong i like EVE but i would like to see things change a bit more often.

O and i did not speak about things changing for the winter expension as mentioned above
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#40 - 2011-10-06 23:29:17 UTC
Iluminat wrote:
I know that with a lot of different people you have a lot of different playing styles here in eve.
A lot of people complain about PvP. And they have a right to complain and i dont argue about that.
A lot of people dont complain about missions cause they use them to finance a PvP toon.

At this moment i play solo and when you play solo you need to have content.
I would like to see fast changing content. Content that does make you stick for a while.
Fast in and out high speed missions, NPC bounty hunting missions, cov ops missions or other stuff like that.
Make arenas like DED space where you fight for the honour and glory instead of the faction loot.
Make an ingame killboard for the best fighters so you would have a PvE challenge
Do something about the anonymous red crosses we shoot know.
Be creative CCP.

Shure when you're new in eve there is lot to do and everything is fresh.
But older players must confess that the rate of changes and content is slow.
Lots of people here still play eve because they got friends here and they get attached to there caracter but
do they stick for the fresh content presented every time?

Dont get me wrong i like EVE but i would like to see things change a bit more often.

O and i did not speak about things changing for the winter expension as mentioned above


Go do pvp.
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