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Does the 'PvPers are Sociopaths' argument bother anyone else?

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Spy 21
Infidelia Black
#41 - 2012-06-06 10:32:03 UTC
I try not to let things bother me.

But, I do think the reason underneath a good bit of the rage and name calling from the gankee community might very well be based in jealousy.

Who doesn't want to be the cool kid who runs around killing folks randomly without seeming to care about consequence or reputation... who has the skill to pull off such ganks, the balls to actually pvp, who does not seem at all constrained by societies norms... those norms which so hinder themselves.

S

Obfuscation for the WIN on page 3...

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#42 - 2012-06-06 10:38:46 UTC
Nah. The argument doesn't bother me.

What bothers me is the hypocrisy of the people saying it (considering that they almost universally raise every flag on the list of ASPD characteristics, in particular the one about not adhering to rules and norms).

Then again, that level of self-reflection is pretty much out of the question for them so it's to be expected, I suppose.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
The Initiative.
#43 - 2012-06-06 10:51:45 UTC
Knus'lar wrote:
I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately. From my perspective, i see a lot of carebears mud flinging, and calling anyone who ganks or does pvp a sociopath. Because apparently only a sociopath would do such a thing. But really, it just seems like a vain attempt at taking the moral high ground.

For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?


Son, the world is ruled by sociopaths,....know what? Most of them were even elected by their people.


To topic: I think a lot of people do actually take this and other Games FAR to serious.

I can tell you an anecdote: Some years ago, a "friend" who was playing WoW on a PvP server by that time thought about trying out another faction on a role play server. Leaving the first starter area heading for the capital he stumbled across a group of Nightelves and Humans who were just busy with "erotic role play" in front of stormwind. I mean...thats just wrong...

Others try to substitute their lack of real life contacts online, and those guys really take things serious ingame.

I personally love the hatered comments we often get in local when we pop all this little pixel-dreams...for me it is all about the fun after a hard day or week of work.
In fact most pvp pilots I know have quite time consuming real life jobs, families and social relations and log in for a few hours a week to...well, just blow up other peoples stuff.

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2012-06-06 10:54:40 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:


You have a link where someone who was ganked (NPC alt's don't count) saying flat out that anyone who ganks or does PvP is a sociopath?


I can't tell if he was ganked or is an alt, but from here.

MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
If a player is happy mining scordite in 1.0 space why is that a problem? It isn't a problem
If a player like to sit in Jita making trades why is that a problem? It isn't a problem
If a player prefers to do hi-sec missions what is the problem? There isn't a problem.

As a response to part 2 of your question look at these forums and count the number of high sec residents screaming bloody murder that they should be 100% safe in high sec, lobbying CCP for a 100% safe high sec, and making ludicrous claims about other players violating the EULA.

If mining and missioning in hi sec aren't problems to these sociopaths, then why the incessant call to arms from the "hardcore PVPer" community to attack and kill them? Why the constant belligerence and belittling against them? Why the unfounded and deliberate accusations that carebears are greedy and stupid? Why the constant whining and crying about moving missions and anything remotely fun to them into lo/null sec? Why the constant whining that carebears should be kicked out of NPC corps and hi sec altogether?


Do you consider the act of enjoying ruining someone else's day (ie "collecting tears") normal or even healthy behavior? And I am not talking about PVP'ing for in-game reasons. When you "PVP" to deliberately provoke real negative reactions from a real human being because this brings you joy (note how your enjoyment is also real) then you can stop it right there claiming that the game is "just a game", because at that point to you, it has become more than that. The game itself has become a real-life tool to project your ill-intent. And I maintain that not only are you a sociopath, but a sadistic one at that.

The hate and pleasure for ruining people's days that hulkageddon seems to breed are but a few signs of this ill-intent behavior. And no, I haven't been ganked in hi sec. I don't even mine in hi sec.

I also find the hypocrisy of a couple of posters in this very thread who have in numerous occasions called carebears (among other names) greedy, cowards, and sociopaths in real life, quite ironic.

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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#45 - 2012-06-06 10:57:21 UTC
I don't know about anyone else, but I act the same in real life. Say someone cuts me off on the highway. I shoot out their tires, ram into the rear of their vehicle, get out, fling open their door and throw them over the divider and then I blow up what's left of the car.

Afterward, I steal everything I can from the owner of the destroyed vehicle, then I leave him/her naked on the side of the highway.
nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-06-06 10:59:15 UTC
Knus'lar wrote:
I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately. From my perspective, i see a lot of carebears mud flinging, and calling anyone who ganks or does pvp a sociopath. Because apparently only a sociopath would do such a thing. But really, it just seems like a vain attempt at taking the moral high ground.

For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?


no for the simple fact if you did anything like alot of people do in eve you'd get your butt stomped if you did **** this in the real world. eve you can be at jerk off you wished you could be for the fact its online and 99% of the people in eve dont care its the "i dont know you int the real world so ill f you in the butt untill you stop playing."

 [13:12:18] CCP Punkturis nat longshot you're a cutie.. OH YAH I WIN!!

nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-06-06 11:09:56 UTC
Spy 21 wrote:
I try not to let things bother me.

But, I do think the reason underneath a good bit of the rage and name calling from the gankee community might very well be based in jealousy.

Who doesn't want to be the cool kid who runs around killing folks randomly without seeming to care about consequence or reputation... who has the skill to pull off such ganks, the balls to actually pvp, who does not seem at all constrained by societies norms... those norms which so hinder themselves.

S


Ganking a help less mining ship 1 dont take skill. 2 ganker dont have balls they just have wallets that let them gank. 3.Ganks there not sociopath's they just think there big stuff when there not. just sad sacks that think there big pvpers "look i have 4 bil in hulk kills" with what 20 mil lose in a destoryer my my want a skilled pvper.

i have gank 3 mining ships in the 4 and half years in eve i was really bored but in the end what the fun in ganking a ship that really cant fight back and there no honor in it eather "honor" is something lacking in most eve players i see btw.

 [13:12:18] CCP Punkturis nat longshot you're a cutie.. OH YAH I WIN!!

Geoscape
Unleashed' Fury
The Initiative.
#48 - 2012-06-06 11:14:53 UTC
Until recently i thought that true carebears were rare in eve online.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#49 - 2012-06-06 11:41:44 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Do you consider the act of enjoying ruining someone else's day (ie "collecting tears") normal or even healthy behavior? And I am not talking about PVP'ing for in-game reasons. When you "PVP" to deliberately provoke real negative reactions from a real human being because this brings you joy (note how your enjoyment is also real) then you can stop it right there claiming that the game is "just a game", because at that point to you, it has become more than that. The game itself has become a real-life tool to project your ill-intent. And I maintain that not only are you a sociopath, but a sadistic one at that.

The hate and pleasure for ruining people's days that hulkageddon seems to breed are but a few signs of this ill-intent behavior. And no, I haven't been ganked in hi sec. I don't even mine in hi sec.

I also find the hypocrisy of a couple of posters in this very thread who have in numerous occasions called carebears (among other names) greedy, cowards, and sociopaths in real life, quite ironic.

Say we are playing poker, and the game has run to high stakes. When I take you for $10000 dollars, does that or does that not ruin your day? And if it does, and I not allowed to enjoy the fact that I won?

At worst, gankers who gloat about it are bad sportsmen, but it is also very poor sportsmanship to sry about loosing.

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Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#50 - 2012-06-06 11:44:02 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Do you consider the act of enjoying ruining someone else's day (ie "collecting tears") normal or even healthy behavior? And I am not talking about PVP'ing for in-game reasons. When you "PVP" to deliberately provoke real negative reactions from a real human being because this brings you joy (note how your enjoyment is also real) then you can stop it right there claiming that the game is "just a game", because at that point to you, it has become more than that. The game itself has become a real-life tool to project your ill-intent. And I maintain that not only are you a sociopath, but a sadistic one at that.

The hate and pleasure for ruining people's days that hulkageddon seems to breed are but a few signs of this ill-intent behavior. And no, I haven't been ganked in hi sec. I don't even mine in hi sec.

I also find the hypocrisy of a couple of posters in this very thread who have in numerous occasions called carebears (among other names) greedy, cowards, and sociopaths in real life, quite ironic.

Say we are playing poker, and the game has run to high stakes. When I take you for $10000 dollars, does that or does that not ruin your day? And if it does, and I not allowed to enjoy the fact that I won?

At worst, gankers who gloat about it are bad sportsmen, but it is also very poor sportsmanship to sry about loosing.


But see, EVE is real, therefore...

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Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#51 - 2012-06-06 11:46:46 UTC
I was watching a show the other day about sociopaths. Apparently they tend to wind up in CEO positions. So before you start looking at your trigger happy mates around you, look up the ladder to your corp and alliance leaders.

That's right. One day they're going to show up at your house wearing a suit and a smile. They're going to shake your hand and then stab you repeatedly while firmly stating 'Good job on the Dow Corning contract Ted, great work!'

So close...

pussnheels
Viziam
#52 - 2012-06-06 11:51:20 UTC
You know this is really getting out of hand this whole debate .
The huge majority of EVE players are either PVP oriented or industrial oriented players and usually go along well , with the ocasional war , gank etc like it has been for ...always in EVE
But there are these 2 small minorities , the true hardcore carebears and the hardcore griefers everybody seems to talk about

Seems like people can"t see the difference any more , either you are a hardcore carebear or a hardcore griefer

and the goons pouring even more fuel over the fire doesn't really help either

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire

J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-06-06 12:01:13 UTC
While Im sure it doesn't stand for everyone, there are a few that are really sociopaths. Never encountered any in Eve but in another game I have, was even on vent with him when he had a total meltdown (insane jumble of rl insults and threats of finding another person irl to kill him). It was quite disturbing because a few months prior to this a Russian in the same game had actually beaten someone to death.

http://kotaku.com/345969/russian-man-killed-over-lineage-ii-clan-grudge
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Millur
Blue Beret UFO Retrieval Team
#54 - 2012-06-06 12:08:44 UTC
Knus'lar wrote:
I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately

Internet forum is always spammed with trolls and rage in all forms, I for one never take them serious and get my lols and move on. General section in particular are the worst so just ignore this place and stick to the more specific sections of your interest for the best nuggets of posts and then game on.

You cant arrange them by penis...

Mussaschi
No Wise Guy's
#55 - 2012-06-06 12:29:25 UTC
Well, if a fat real life ******, discarded by his parents and regularly beaten by his school mates uses his time in the bunk to kill pixels instead of torturing kittens, I guess that is called improvement.

If moral ambiguous person found out that ganking hulks is profitable business in eve, I wouldn't blame him for following that money trail.

If a real as..ole is willing to show his true colors, and thereby gives you an opponent that you can leave bleeding on the street without feeling any remorse, I guess that gives the game some great opponents, and fun to play.

What I really don't like is the attitude of the game designers, doing such a poor job in creating a functioning sand box with a reasonable risk / reward ratio, and even take pride in their failures, as shown in the dev blog about burn jita.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
The Initiative.
#56 - 2012-06-06 12:41:39 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
While Im sure it doesn't stand for everyone, there are a few that are really sociopaths. Never encountered any in Eve but in another game I have, was even on vent with him when he had a total meltdown (insane jumble of rl insults and threats of finding another person irl to kill him). It was quite disturbing because a few months prior to this a Russian in the same game had actually beaten someone to death.

http://kotaku.com/345969/russian-man-killed-over-lineage-ii-clan-grudge


Do you even know the meaning of the term "sociopath"?

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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#57 - 2012-06-06 12:46:08 UTC
Mussaschi wrote:
Well, if a fat real life ******, discarded by his parents and regularly beaten by his school mates uses his time in the bunk to kill pixels instead of torturing kittens, I guess that is called improvement.

If moral ambiguous person found out that ganking hulks is profitable business in eve, I wouldn't blame him for following that money trail.

If a real as..ole is willing to show his true colors, and thereby gives you an opponent that you can leave bleeding on the street without feeling any remorse, I guess that gives the game some great opponents, and fun to play.

What I really don't like is the attitude of the game designers, doing such a poor job in creating a functioning sand box with a reasonable risk / reward ratio, and even take pride in their failures, as shown in the dev blog about burn jita.


And here we have a prime example, throwing generalisations around like confetti at a wedding and adopting a (fake) moral superiority by convincing themselves that anyone who shoots a hulk or industrial ship is a backward neckbeard with emotional difficulties.

It's actually attitudes like this being waved around that has made so many want to gank hulks in the first place and I understand the sentiment so well.

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Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
#58 - 2012-06-06 12:46:31 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
[Do you consider the act of enjoying ruining someone else's day (ie "collecting tears") normal or even healthy behavior? And I am not talking about PVP'ing for in-game reasons. When you "PVP" to deliberately provoke real negative reactions from a real human being because this brings you joy (note how your enjoyment is also real) then you can stop it right there claiming that the game is "just a game", because at that point to you, it has become more than that. The game itself has become a real-life tool to project your ill-intent. And I maintain that not only are you a sociopath, but a sadistic one at that.

The hate and pleasure for ruining people's days that hulkageddon seems to breed are but a few signs of this ill-intent behavior. And no, I haven't been ganked in hi sec. I don't even mine in hi sec.

I also find the hypocrisy of a couple of posters in this very thread who have in numerous occasions called carebears (among other names) greedy, cowards, and sociopaths in real life, quite ironic.

If you refuse to accept that 'it's just a game' then it is you that has the problem.
Winters Chill
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2012-06-06 12:47:06 UTC
The people who say that are the kind of people that have temper tantrums when they play monopoly with their family.

Read "emotionally volatile".
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#60 - 2012-06-06 12:48:37 UTC
The whole thing is dumb. The voices in my head clearly tell me I'm a psychopath