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Really, i don't see as it should make that greater difference in most areas. Its just about saying "we have already recognized this was just stolen from you and now we recognize your free to take it back if they now choose to leave it laying about"

As I've said at most Tags would only need to track entire stacks not individual items that make them up. and these could only be applied to stacks at the point of theft, so reducing greatly the amount of tracking needed at any one time. But also this is just a base idea to get across the concept of ownership recognition. Perhaps as Yonis suggested it is a can should just be recognized off the bat as abandoned. So of course while people would be free to take the items if they moved it to their own can you would be free to take it back and thus no extra database load but also no retribution for taking back what you worked for hours for.

Go the other way. How do you know it's yours? It's in your possession. It's not? Whoops, it must not be yours anymore.

Can flipping is annoying because EVE offers just enough of a fig-leaf implementation of "property" to make new players think that it actually knows what "property" is in a real-world sense. Might as well just jetcan the whole idea and fall back on a simple, intuitive rule. It's yours if you have it. If you want to keep it, protect it, or take your chances.

The concept of a fair fight does not belong in EVE Online.

Get that clear...because this is not the place for "fairness"

Finally its nice to see a good point and thank you.

Now my initial response would be, assuming my point of recognizing ownership and such, any stolen stacks would not mix with other stacks of the same item. There by preventing what you suggest.

However i realize this makes the whole system more and more complicated to keep dividing things up. Yet there is still the idea of simply making Jet-cans be treated as abandoned off the cuff from the moment they are created. I don't see as this would create any great change to weather people would try to steal from Jet-cans or not. Ill be honest on a previous character i intended to play as a pirate i used a hauler to smash and grab miners cans knowing it wasn't likely they would harm me. i just let the countdown end while i sell off their ore. But what it would mean is that this would have to be the sort of methods used. Thievery would have to be thievery, for to simply move it to your own can would allow the miner to grab their hauler and take it back.

So while the method for achieving the goal here is different the premise of what it does is still the same and over all jet cans would still be used in much the same ways as they are now: For quick transfer of items with little risk between players or as storage with high risk of theft.

Oh yea i forgot they just give those out in the tutorials and take no training!?

You seem to fail to understand the concept i put forward to simply suggest a way a specific and unavoidable period of game play perhaps be provided a little more balance.

Now we all know your stand point but you don't speak for everyone. You don't need to keep posting.

Either others will and not support it and so it will be dropped OR others wont because they don't care and so it will be dropped OR others will in support and so perhaps it would go forward.

And you seem to love being deliberately obtuse... Not unusual with you these days. Are you going to be buying Orcas, and the skill books needed to train them, for all the new players? You must be feeling generous these days... Now, back under your bridge, Troll.


@ OP: The premise appears sound, but that's just at first glance. I don't like this particular angle on how to mitigate some of the rampant flipping. Personally I don't want it to go away in its current form. You make several good points, however I can't support it like this.

I'd say a complete rework after checking out both sides of how the mechanics relating to this work would be in order, but I'm not expecting much in the way of changes.

How is wanting to change the whole system of jetcan mining exploit, in the miners favor, accepting the risk of jetcan mining?

FYI, if someone takes something out of my trashcan, and I decide i want it back, break into their home and take it. Guess whos going to jail? Jetcans can be seen as garbage cans. They belong to you and everything inside technically belongs to you, but can be assumed to be up for grabs, as you show that you no longer want it.

In all seriousness, jetcan mining is risky, for all the reasons mentioned in the OP. As others have pointed out, there are better ways to go about mining.

Oh my god, yes. Giant Secure Containers are far too small.

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The OP needs to understand what 'Jettison' means.

If you dont want someone to flip, then use secure containers.