Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm sorry but am I the only one who despises bonuses like armor/shield repairing on pvp oriented ships? Normally you fit a buffer tank when you pvp and, in my experience most frigs pop before you would even get any reps off anyway.

I second that. After a quick read through of most of the posts, the three major things that pop out are the fact that



1. Trying to re-balance T1 frigates into roles is not such a good idea as they are limited in what they can achieve.
Eg. Limitations of small weapons, mid slots

And like SizeofVoid pointed out, if the support frig is consistently outperforming in another role such as combat, is it going to get nerfed/rebalanced due to not fitting in its role? Sounds like a lot unnecessary work for T1 frigates which are generalist and flexible for new players and as entry level ships. Perhaps focus on adjustments to PG, CPU, cap, etc?


2. If CCP are only going to be balancing 5 ships, it might be best to start with the least used and most under-performing ships rather than the most popular ones. Therefore it would be easier to verify if the changes are good by simple criteria such as player use and efficiency of role if you really want to shoehorn T1 frigs into roles.

Although a better idea would be to balance all T1 frigates across the board. I'm all for careful planning and small monitored tweaks than a bull rush of knee jerk changes. However simple math puts it this way. 5 ships per update is going to take 1-2 years just to finish T1 frigates. Then CCP is left with faction frigs (some of which need attention) and T2 frigs, its going to take 3-4 years or more to roll out and complete destroyers. What about battlecruisers? 6-8 years from Inferno?


3. Mixed ship bonuses are not as useful as complementary bonuses hands down. Mixed weapons ships with only a bonus to half its highs are not so hot. And finally, laser cap reduction bonuses for Amarr really should go down the toilet for most of its ships. Eg. The current Punisher, see how most fits actually use Autocannons instead of lasers?

For this point, I haven't thought or read any good suggestions. Except for the laser cap reduction, perhaps tag it with a small damage or rate of fire, or remove the bonus and give better cap recharge/battery?

I just want to say, that all the people out there wanting the Amarr Laser cap bonuses to be ditched, if you do that then Amarr will become useless in PvP, as being already most vulnerable to Neuts and Nos, they will suddenly become fatally weakened by it. And increasing Cap and Cap recharge rate to compensate won't help that situation either.

The Prophecy and Maller are good examples of why the reduced cap usage on lasers should be ditched. It's actually more effective to just fit ACs to circumvent the cap usage all together (and more flexible damage types), or go with blasters to compensate for the lack of a damage bonus. Even then, these ships are usually skipped over in favor of other ships with two useful bonuses like the harbinger or omen (ok maybe Navy Omen or Zealot).

Rifter having the same cap/s as Punisher, Merlin and Incursus sounds a bit weird as it doesn't use cap for doing damage.

Currently, Caldari sorely lack Brawling ships. Every Race other than Caldari has ships that have bonuses to and are geared around both Brawling and Kiting/Sniping. Caldari is shoehorned into Sniping. Its time for CCP to get rid of 'Caldari is Snipe Because of Caldari' and give us some ships geared towards brawling.






1. Maybe its time for this to Change?
2. Caldari Hybrid ship design philosiphy was shat on a long time ago... (So was missile ship, but thats off topic)
3. Because Caldari Resist/Range gunships are sooo Awesome

Edit: TL;DR: CCP, PLEASE Embrace the Blastardisation of Caldari Ships!

To be honest, that just suggests that Lasers need some kind of buff and are underpowered compared to Projectiles.

Lasers are underpowered. Scorch makes up for this somewhat. It's especially hard for frigs:
The lowest grid of any pulse is higher than the highest grid of any AC.
The best tracking of any pulse is lower than the worst tracking of any AC or blaster.
The best cap use of any pulse with cap use bonus is worse than the worst cap use of any blaster or AC.

So yes, lasers do need attention and yes, they need a bonus that makes them better compared to another weapon system rather than 'less worse but still worse' but this isn't the point of discussion in this thread.

N.B.: MWD sig penalty also needs to be look at and small/medium armor/shield repping. A 10% rep bonus is ridiculously large and only serves to hide the problem with the module (similar with the role MWD bonus)

IMO, role boni are a bad idea for generalist ships i.e. T1 ships. It signals the modules need work rather than the the ships (bc's excepted)

"You guys should really get your story straight before you publish"

Utter nonsense. Some of you need to learn to read the dev blogs - and the follow-up dev posts on the forum threads - more carefully, esp. before you whine.

CCP Ytterbium has been very careful to state that all changes under discussion are a "work in progress" and "subject to change". Until you see such changes implemented in-game on Tranquility (and not Sisi), this is always the case - up to the actual distribution of the new release (and occasionally even after the release).

If you changed your training plan, prior to any actual changes in the game, then you did so based upon speculation on your own part and thus are solely responsible for your own actions. Please try to refrain from blaming CCP for your own decisions.

It would be equally foolish to start building thousands of Tormentors, based solely on this thread discussion. Note that this particular thread is in "Features & Ideas Discussion", which makes it more of a research discussion than an implementation discussion, at this time (although the lines sometimes do get blurry).

I'm still sad that the Merlin is losing its rockets, but with these changes it is still looks worth flying. Thank you for taking our input into consideration. ♥