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Inferno And Datacores

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#321 - 2012-05-07 23:15:23 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Regardless, if OP has any evidence of Dev/GM/CCP employee misconduct/malfeasance/incompetence/etc, he should direct it to the IA Department at CCP.


Ah yes. an Internal Affairs investigating their own people.

CCP has a good trackrecord for being trustworthy in that department.

T20. mainly a cover up till the **** hit the fan so darn hard the lid got blown off.
Hillmars famous e-mail. Long term silence and then a simple "sorry". But more "sorry I got caught" then "sorry for being an idiot"

20% lay off of employees but not the one really responcible for the whole mess.

No you are absolutely right. I can trust CCP they double my money if I send them any amount.


T20 was before IA (and the reason they have IA). The rest is incompetence writ large. If you want to start bitching about CCP's track record of incompetence, you won't get much disagreement. When you raise that incompetence to accusations of malice, you run into Hanlon's Razor, which usually keeps CCP pretty well defended (through reference to the aforementioned long history of incompetence).

I trust them to not screw with the game in a Dev Corruption sense. I also trust them to screw up the game constantly because that's what they do because they don't quite know what they want the game to look like (let alone how to get there).

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#322 - 2012-05-07 23:42:39 UTC
Single-Shard, Player DrivenSandbox.

5 words. That's what makes it special.


Please remove the player driven part to stay atleast partially correct.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#323 - 2012-05-07 23:53:25 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
Single-Shard, Player DrivenSandbox.

5 words. That's what makes it special.


Please remove the player driven part to stay atleast partially correct.


Nullsec -> Huge, Well Organized groups of players fighting (or not) for power, territory, etc.
Lowsec -> Do people actually PvE out here? Pirate player's in heaven.
Hisec -> The Economy has roughly the minimum possible NPC inputs (I can't think of a good way around BPOs)
Jita -> A trade hub created by players through an accident of history and retains its status despite the reason it became a hub disappearing

Events:
Hulkageddon -> Dreamed up, organized, funded, and prosecuted by players for the enjoyment (and profits) of players
Burn Jita/Ice Interdiction -> See Hulkageddon
The immense player driven organization that ran Incursions for the last year
The random quiet acts of violence or kindness that happen between strangers every moment on TQ

There's no interesting NPC driven activity in EvE, so why the hell are you playing if you don't think EvE's a player driven world?

Enough about my sig, got any evidence of Dev misconduct?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#324 - 2012-05-08 00:00:30 UTC
I think we are making this more complex than it needs to be.

Some years ago they homogenized Agent groups and in so doing all the R&D corps got a fist full of Security agents they never had before. I just took Duvolle Laboratories from 0 standing to 2.00 standing with 4 Lv. 3 Sec missions and Connections 4. I will have it to 3.00 and be able to run level 4 R&D in an afternoon.

Anyone remember the nursery rhyme, She swallowed the goat to catch the dog, to catch the cat, to catch the bird to catch the fly?

EVE swallowed a fly.

R.I.P. Vile Rat

Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#325 - 2012-05-08 00:20:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Killer Gandry
RubyPorto wrote:


Enough about my sig, got any evidence of Dev misconduct?


I don't have the database access they have and if I had I would be breaking some rules of the EULA, wouldn't I.

And IA won't investigate anyways since heck, they need the proof delivered to their doorstep first and made public so they can first shoot down the messenger.
It sounded so darn nice and nifty, but let's face it, it's just another propoganda stunt promoted to sooth one of the many fuckups in the passt.
Just like some excuses tried to sound as sincere as Enron's CEO when he appologized.

The fact alone that there is a growing group of the playerbase suspecting the same as I suspect does make the thing sound more and more probable. But heck, let's just call it tinfoil hattery and be done with it.
And incase the roof does get blown off of this and suspicions become reality you can wiggle your arse in silence or all of a sudden become one of the bleating sheep at the rear. Most likely using an alt though.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#326 - 2012-05-08 00:25:36 UTC
Usually when things happen that people dislike or don't understand they claim haxors or in Eve's case Dev involvement.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#327 - 2012-05-08 00:54:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuri Kinnes
Ioci wrote:
I think we are making this more complex than it needs to be.

Some years ago they homogenized Agent groups and in so doing all the R&D corps got a fist full of Security agents they never had before. I just took Duvolle Laboratories from 0 standing to 2.00 standing with 4 Lv. 3 Sec missions and Connections 4. I will have it to 3.00 and be able to run level 4 R&D in an afternoon.

Anyone remember the nursery rhyme, She swallowed the goat to catch the dog, to catch the cat, to catch the bird to catch the fly?

EVE swallowed a fly.

They also "homogenized" the agent standings to spread the mission runners out, to thin out the camouflage for the botters. Don't know if you were aware of that.
Killer Gandry wrote:
The fact alone that there is a growing group of the playerbase is suspecting the same as I suspect does make the thing sound more and more probable.

No it doesn't.
It's called mass hysteria

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#328 - 2012-05-08 01:17:38 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Killer Gandry wrote:
The fact alone that there is a growing group of the playerbase is suspecting the same as I suspect does make the thing sound more and more probable.

No it doesn't.
It's called mass hysteria


Agreed. That stood out as one of the dumber and more mentally unhinged comments on here, and that's pretty significant considering the competition.

Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#329 - 2012-05-08 01:30:47 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
Agreed. That stood out as one of the dumber and more mentally unhinged comments on here, and that's pretty significant considering the competition.

I have no idea why, but that just made me laugh so hard my wife is looking at me VERY CROSSLY!

thanks!Lol

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#330 - 2012-05-08 01:31:02 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Killer Gandry wrote:
The fact alone that there is a growing group of the playerbase is suspecting the same as I suspect does make the thing sound more and more probable.

No it doesn't.
It's called mass hysteria


Agreed. That stood out as one of the dumber and more mentally unhinged comments on here, and that's pretty significant considering the competition.



At least he admits that he's got nothing and just wants someone to be mad at.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Aeryn Tiberius
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#331 - 2012-05-08 02:59:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Aeryn Tiberius
So let me get this straight, CCP wants more people to play FW, and they decide to put datacores in the FW LP store, and then call FW fixed. Is that suppose to be an off-color joke. I will go grab my guns and play FW for datacores. I thought that the initial discussions about changing FW did not even include datacores, so what this really means is CCP rather than do surgery and fix somethings are going to put a band-aid on cancer and call it good. Well I needed my laugh for the day, Thank you CCP!Lol
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#332 - 2012-05-08 03:18:47 UTC
Aeryn Tiberius wrote:
So let me get this straight, CCP wants more people to play FW, and they decide to put datacores in the FW LP store, and then call FW fixed. Is that suppose to be an off-color joke. I will go grab my guns and play FW for datacores. I thought that the initial discussions about changing FW did not even include datacores, so what this really means is CCP rather than do surgery and fix somethings are going to put a band-aid on cancer and call it good. Well I needed my laugh for the day, Thank you CCP!Lol


You got it wrong. You'll notice that this thread is about datacores, so unsurprisingly that is what the discussion is focused on. It just happens to have a connection to FW. The list of FW changes are not final yet, but based on SiSi they will include:

- LP for kills
- Bunkers are now infrastructure hubs
- LP for all FW actions (capturing complexes, capturing infrastructures hubs, etc)
- New FW front page
- Consequences for capturing systems/regions (benefits for you, grief for your enemy)
- Capturing FW system affect SOV ownership
- Map filters for FW have been revamped
ELECTR0FREAK
#333 - 2012-05-08 03:25:47 UTC
Aeryn Tiberius wrote:
So let me get this straight, CCP wants more people to play FW, and they decide to put datacores in the FW LP store, and then call FW fixed. Is that suppose to be an off-color joke. I will go grab my guns and play FW for datacores. I thought that the initial discussions about changing FW did not even include datacores, so what this really means is CCP rather than do surgery and fix somethings are going to put a band-aid on cancer and call it good. Well I needed my laugh for the day, Thank you CCP!Lol


It's not rocket surgery!

Well, okay, maybe it is.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#334 - 2012-05-08 03:32:33 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Usually when things happen that people dislike or don't understand they claim haxors or in Eve's case Dev involvement.


The Drone Regions are Null Sec.

I have no idea why they were nerfed even in the "risk/reward" paradigm. Oh yeah, we switch to "people should mine, not gun-mine" cause it's a sand-box and you do what we say or we remove features from the game to make you.

Or something like that.

Removing datacores is being done in a similarly stupid way.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#335 - 2012-05-08 03:34:03 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Aeryn Tiberius wrote:
So let me get this straight, CCP wants more people to play FW, and they decide to put datacores in the FW LP store, and then call FW fixed. Is that suppose to be an off-color joke. I will go grab my guns and play FW for datacores. I thought that the initial discussions about changing FW did not even include datacores, so what this really means is CCP rather than do surgery and fix somethings are going to put a band-aid on cancer and call it good. Well I needed my laugh for the day, Thank you CCP!Lol


You got it wrong. You'll notice that this thread is about datacores, so unsurprisingly that is what the discussion is focused on. It just happens to have a connection to FW. The list of FW changes are not final yet, but based on SiSi they will include:

- LP for kills
- Bunkers are now infrastructure hubs
- LP for all FW actions (capturing complexes, capturing infrastructures hubs, etc)
- New FW front page
- Consequences for capturing systems/regions (benefits for you, grief for your enemy)
- Capturing FW system affect SOV ownership
- Map filters for FW have been revamped


You forgot the part where they still let Null Bears hot drop 1,000 Titans anywhere in Low Sec cause they wanna.
Aeryn Tiberius
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#336 - 2012-05-08 03:40:12 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Aeryn Tiberius wrote:
So let me get this straight, CCP wants more people to play FW, and they decide to put datacores in the FW LP store, and then call FW fixed. Is that suppose to be an off-color joke. I will go grab my guns and play FW for datacores. I thought that the initial discussions about changing FW did not even include datacores, so what this really means is CCP rather than do surgery and fix somethings are going to put a band-aid on cancer and call it good. Well I needed my laugh for the day, Thank you CCP!Lol


You got it wrong. You'll notice that this thread is about datacores, so unsurprisingly that is what the discussion is focused on. It just happens to have a connection to FW. The list of FW changes are not final yet, but based on SiSi they will include:

- LP for kills
- Bunkers are now infrastructure hubs
- LP for all FW actions (capturing complexes, capturing infrastructures hubs, etc)
- New FW front page
- Consequences for capturing systems/regions (benefits for you, grief for your enemy)
- Capturing FW system affect SOV ownership
- Map filters for FW have been revamped



Thanks for the insight, I guess the hardest part I have understanding this change, is the logic behind it or lack of.

Spend 1 month or more training for skills to now get half the datacores in the past and for a fee and going out with guns and getting them!

I want my SP back that is all I am asking for.
Bennet Am
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#337 - 2012-05-08 03:58:01 UTC
I trained these skills as a beginner in hopes of inventing a t2 BPO.

They mean something. The passive income for anyone who played way back then is inconsequential. That is not the issue.

Clever is not always better. Improve the game, don't just move around old mechanics in the name of improvement.

Fix the science profession first, then move farming skills to pvp. If you just want to fix pvp, add isk.
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#338 - 2012-05-08 04:04:02 UTC
Bennet Am wrote:
I trained these skills as a beginner in hopes of inventing a t2 BPO.

.


That is gonna be a long hope then since you can't invent a T2 BPO onlyBPC's.
Aeryn Tiberius
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#339 - 2012-05-08 04:21:59 UTC
Bennet Am wrote:
I trained these skills as a beginner in hopes of inventing a t2 BPO.

They mean something. The passive income for anyone who played way back then is inconsequential. That is not the issue.

Clever is not always better. Improve the game, don't just move around old mechanics in the name of improvement.

Fix the science profession first, then move farming skills to pvp. If you just want to fix pvp, add isk.


I think you are talking about another game, In EVE online there are two professions, Kill people or be a carebear and be killed by other people.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#340 - 2012-05-08 04:22:55 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
Bennet Am wrote:
I trained these skills as a beginner in hopes of inventing a t2 BPO.

.


That is gonna be a long hope then since you can't invent a T2 BPO onlyBPC's.


Wow, REALLY?Shocked

But then how do people obtain T2 BPOs?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon