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God help w-space dwellers should their corp hangar arrays go **** up when this is rolled out on Tranq.

Otherwise, some neat ideas here with the window consolidation and the hierarchical menu system.

Edit:

Is this unified inventory window aware of the state in which it was left after I exit a particular ship and then return to it at a later point in time? In other words, when I get back into my trusty CovOps will its inventory immediately pop up with an appropriately sized window and the same "view" that I had open when I last used the ship? If so, then great.

If not, is there an alternate way to make this scenario take place? Otherwise, this new bit of design bling is a loss of functionality / utility for my day-to-day play.

Oh crap, I just realized that this window, should I choose to look at inventory in-station, will have to be fiddled with and re-sized from the nearly minimized sizing that I use with my ship inventory when flying around in-space. And, yes, I have my cargo inventory window open to keep tabs on ammo and other consumables.

*Ugh* this is going to cause more clicks and UI interactions simply to create the same functionality.

Is it possible to have in-play multiple inventory windows with this new design?

Additional feedback:

The two instances where I need an inventory window sized a bit larger are when I'm in-station sorting through ships / good and when I'm looking through my broader holdings across multiple stations. It looks like this new system could be kick-ass for these of use-cases.

Where I am concerned is when I am out in space flying around in ships ranging from Industrials to Interdictors with the ship's cargo window sized just tall enough to accommodate a single item height and maybe 4 - 6 items wide. Will this new design be able to handle such a configuration?
This was a primary concern of mine.

I am also concerned about the merging of spaceship cargo hold inventory and station inventory UIs as this is one of the most important points of segregation for a pilot when he or she is making ready to undock. Put another way, it is critical to have a very clear demarcation between what is in the ship's hold v. everything else as the stuff sitting in-station does the space jockey no good five jumps away.

" I want the active ship to have a separate window for its cargo hold. I want that window in the same place both in space AND in station. I want it to stay there till I want to close it. "

And on top of this I want the windows for my ships and hanger to be tabed the way they used to be. And stay where I put them.

I find the nested list counterintuitive. The way it keeps opening to new windows in itself and not opening new ones, the way it keep changing to whatever my mouse is over, its just bad!

It is not bad... it is just unfinished and unpolished.

Separate window positions for space/station they promised to fix already so that is "done deal".

One of other major key issues is to get shift clicking various icons/items/labels/containers as universal way to inform the client that you should be opening new separate window. That is far from done deal at the moment.

After you have separate window open, you can still stack them as much you want. However if they tweak few other space related things, the need to do this should be valid only to more complex cargo transfer operations where you need to move stuff back and forth between containers/cargo bays in space using as little screen estate as possible. Unfortunately at the moment it isn't even possible to loot single item without having side bar expanded or by opening multiple windows.

Details and other stuff here.

Groovy.

If possible, i'd prefer you could add the potential for more settings based on where you are or how you open the inventory screen. I'd love to have it use one setting where i'm in space at my POS (where i'm going to want the tree and a big window) and a different setting when i want to loot someone's wreck (where i want a small window and small tree), and not have to resize it down or up each time.

I might have missed it, but how (if at all) will it save its state if you have multiple inventory windows open?

Like many others have mentioned in this thread, there are situations and use cases where you want to have all that information available at a glance, and possibly have it set up so that you always have that information available…

…but with most shift-click-for-a-new-window items in EVE, those additional windows aren't saved when you close the client or even just go for a session change. Basically, will I still be able to set it up so that, every time I enter space, I get three windows (cargo/dronebay, remote asset list, cargo cans/wrecks/other space containers) that are open at all times?

As long as you don't confuse “removes need” with “removes functionality”, it'll be fine. I can understand the “crusade against many windows”, but for some tasks, it is actually more efficient to have those multiple windows open at once, since what you want to do in one of them will depend on information that is available elsewhere.

Just a simple example: how many rounds of antimatter do I want to add to my ship? I want an even 10k for my outing, so when I drag them from my hangar bay to my ship cargo hold, it's far more efficient to have both open at once than clicking back and forth between them in the tree view.

A more complex example would be: I want to bring enough minerals to build a pack of Rifters in my Orca… so how much is already at the station/construction platform where I intend to build it; how much is already in the Orca's hangar; how much is in the station delivery hangar (because I don't want to take more than I need because my corp mates also need some of it); and how much is in my personal hangar? Again, rather than clicking back and forth between all of them in the tree view, simply having all four open at once is far more efficient and easier to manage. And again, some of these combinations are things I will do with some regularity, so if I have to shift-click-open new windows each time, rather than have all of them open at once and remembering their position, this improvement quickly becomes a deterioration of functionality.

tl;dr, I'm worried about how well my setup will be remembered from one time to the next, especially since the windows and stacks of windows have had a long history of forgetting these things and coming unstuck at the most inopportune moments.

I LOVE THIS <3

I would like to congratulate you on this effort and i keep and open mind to test the new features in order to find out how efficient they are. Great Job Guys!

I guess now would be a right time to change the corp hanger divisions to unlimited and self creating as in the following:

Guy Creates corp ->
Guy Opens corp Hanger ->
Hanger Divisions = 1 => "Default Division"
Guy renames "Default Division" to "Ammo"
Ammo shows in your tree view.

From now on guy can choose to ADD New Division to add as many as he needs wants and ca also select permissions for view/interact with each one either on a per dude or a configured roles.


TYVM! From the people who need more then 7 miracles.

Allowing us to shift click and open new windows is great. However, please allow this to be a permanent option in the options menu. I personally like to see multiple windows at the same time and would appreciate not having to shift click every single time. Thank you.

What I spend more time doing than any other single activity is: fitting ships, with both the Fitting window and a container window open next to each other. Just tested this, and it cannot be done with the new giant-ass inventory window. Having to manually drag out windows to simulate the way I've always worked is a poor workaround for the following reasons:

Takes much longer to accomplish the same thing. Have to setup the UI from scratch every single time=fail.

There's far more UI lag than ever before (and it was already terrible). [In the past I've found that everything works much faster on test than live, so this bodes ill.]

Breaks what little immersion remains; there's no justification or explanation for such an interface. Containers are reduced to being merely folders, and probably will see little use going forward. Likewise, ships are reduced to mere folders--nothing feels 'real' anymore; it is indeed like using an OS for file management, instead of like playing an MMORPG. I don't pay $15 a month to role play 'outer space file clerk.'


The unified is too big to be practical for anyone other than station squatters. Just another nail in the 'spreadsheet game' coffin. Who needs ships and guns when you can play with filters? The conceptualization is good; the application is unusable. It needs to be one quarter the current size, probably impossible with the new non-scalable 'improved' fonts.

Really, think about it: your solution for the screen being covered with inventory windows is to cover the screen with an inventory window??? Your own screenies condemn your efforts: the inventory window coverage in the 'after' shots are just as screen-filling as those in the 'before' shots. Plus it takes much longer to get anything accomplished. Where's the improvement? You've replaced real physical organization with increased user-effort.

Another CCP 'solution in search of a problem.' Why do I want to be annoyed with ship cargo hold contents when I'm moving items from station to container? Must do better. Less is more. [BTW, I hide the tree navigation pane in windows file explorer because it serves no purpose.] And 'estimated isk value' is worthless nonsense; not ever am I going to sell everything I own all at once--knowing it's theoretical value tells me nothing.

As it always has been--Devs fiddle while Jita burns. Drones please.

I got some time to have a look at this on SISI yesterday and for in-station inventory operations it looks promising to reduce having lots of windows cluttering up the screen when you have a lot of stuff to manage.

However.... one window that I ALWAYS have open, regardless if being in space or in station, is the ship cargo hold. It is a small window at the edge of the screen and it is used in space to keep track of several things, like (1) the ammount of charges I have left, (2) to make sure I actualy picked up and is carrying an ipmortant item (mission item, courier package etc.) or (3) how much cargo space I have left, etc. In station it's also for quick reference on for example what ammo loadout I have so I know if I must change it for different damage types before undocking.
This window is set to be as minimalistic as possible, so it would need to be separate from the regular inventory window cause all other windows I use for inventory management are a lot larger. I know I can shift click to get the carghold to display in a separate window, but I'm not very keen on having to do this every time I log in (especialy since I use 4-5 accounts at the same time, each with a similar but adapted set-up of where cargohold and station hangar window is displayed (it was annoying enough when the cargohold stopped loading on logging in while docked, back when carbonUI was put on TQ).

I also hope that this can be set up so that the main inventory window opens when docking and closes or minimizes when undocking...

And please... have a toggle that lets you open wrecks or jet-cans in space in old-style small windows and not have the entire inventory window open when you just want to loot something (like when you have emptied a wreck, the window closes by itself, is essential)

I know this comes off more as a rant, but for the most part I only need 2 windows... the cargohold that I want to see always, and the station hangar that I want to see when I'm docked without having to do something to display it. The way I have organized my windows they are in their optimal positions and sizes and I'd really like to keep it that way...

For other and more in-depth inventory management tasks however, I think the inventory window can be a very good thing