EVE General Discussion

1: For some reason I like Mittens.

2: Jokes aside, statements like that will ensure that he won't be re-elected.

Actually...the unfortunate fact of the matter is that because the Goon powerblock is what got him elected the first time he will likely get elected again in the same way. Unless every remaining player in EvE actually votes and doesn't vote for him he will again be the chairman.

Yeah Goons aren't actually controlling the game and it's a rather old meme so I think it's time that one goes into the dustbin of history

Expression of curiosity: weren't you leader of the Goons in EVE once?

Request for verification of personal reminiscence: Didn't you claim that your aim was for the Goons to "break EVE" or something?

Eager questioning: What happened with all that, and how come you're working for CCP now - and how can we trust you that your not still interested in "breaking EVE"?

Surely this entire topic comes down to asking this:

Bots are often initially identified to CCP thanks to the report of a third party. If a corporation, alliance or any other coordinated group has a policy of knowingly granting safe harbor to bots by the use of in-game mechanics to protect their activities, does this equate to a rule violation by those enforcing that safe harbor policy?

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As a side note, can someone explain to me why they think that severely reducing botting would kill off the amount of EvE subscribers? Are the majority of these botting accounts not paid for by PLEX?

ok then stop with the fluffy posturing and push their stuff in. the goon memo is apples to apples and not only is it an admission of looking the other way, it's a threat of punishment if someone doesn't. and at this point you can follow up with the virtual groin kick with a real life finger to mittins. $$ in the pocket bringing them in, now you look like hostages.

i honestly dont see how you people aren't as tossed off in your ccp offices about this as we were when your internal porn got out. the csm czar supposed to be representing us to you, clowning us both.

to put our policy in perspective last time there was a whole "report botters" thing we wound up with a director getting reported for botting and I think getting a temp ban

that would be fine if he hadn't been sitting in a station and hadn't shot a rat in years

goons being goons if we go "hey, feel free to report/shoot bots" we'll end up with an epidemic of blue on blue shooting and bullshit reporting so we're going to just dump it all on Sreegs lap and make him deal with it instead

I'm not casting stones specifically at goons with this, your example could be anyone as far as I'm concerned.

1: Because his main hadn't shot a rat in years doesn't mean he does'nt run bots on other accounts.

2: If he hadn't ratted in years on any of his accounts, a CCP investigation would have instantly cleared him. Apparently it did not, so your assertions are in doubt. I'd be willing to go with just not remembering the details clearly (in other words, I'm not lighting a torch and calling you a purposeful liar).

i'm no one's friend and as vile rat knows i've never tried to be.

but don't alt-backup a goon csm post when they get called out. you put on the csm badge, don't pull the "we're not policemen"

No, you're not, and no one said you were, and no one elected you to be. But leading a 50,000,000 conglomeration of zombies with a "we're not policemen, and look the other way at blue bots" doesn't make anyone with 2 eyes happy.

Yes, I'm a Goonie alt, you got me!

Just a second, I fell out of my chair and seem to have pulled a muscle laughing.

As Vile pointed out, giving thousands of players the green light to riddle one another with bullets (in game) for the blanket reason of "they were surely botting!" is nothing short of lunacy.

I do not directly know what goes on with botting at the coalition level, I only know what seems to make sense from a conjectural point of view, and secondhand accounts from people I know, but at the public level, they (Goonies) are just playing with fire, and nothing more, basically the only choice they have to be honest.

Player organizations cannot function in the long term without solidarity of some kind, and giving thousands of players permission to pummel one another for any reason imaginable under the guise of what would amount to a witch hunt, is pretty absurd.

They are taking the lesser of two evils, but Mittani likes making cool story posts, which means people who think or take him at 100% face value are likely to misunderstand the point entirely.

What goes on behind the scenes is anyone's guess, but publicly they have done nothing wrong as far as I am concerned, though I would love if the thousands of members of GSF were capable of policing themselves at an individual level, I have no illusions that hundreds and hundreds of those same members probably have the mental faculties of a goldfish and would just run around shooting anyone that appears to be a carebear at all just for the lulz, so let the high command sort through it all and send it in a big lump report to CCP directly, as noted.