EVE General Discussion

Actually, it has been my experience that many things just cost a lot to manufacture, either in time or ISK.

I got a little irritated earlier because this thread seemed to be filled with ISK rich players raging at the Devs and threatening to quit over the loss of what are essentially useless items. Am I wrong?

Not only that, but it was all really targeted at one Dev who stepped forward and admitted that during the course of his job he may have accidently caused the deletion of some items that weren't really supposed to be deleted and he would do what he could to return them as soon as possible. That's fine and explanation enough for me and apparently most others, but suddenly we have a lynch mob of excessively ISK rich players running about.

Really, it's a game and if there are items that were never meant to be held or owned by players in the hands of players then it is only sensible to remove them. I'm not talking about some mining drone, but other items that don't seem to have been mentioned here. No idea what they are.

The Mining Drone - Improved UNUSED may well have dropped, (hopefully without the UNUSED tag which would have indicated somebody should have reported it at the time), and be a valid game item. Fine, good for you, you had one and if you ask politely maybe you should get it back, but lets not have a dramatic scene of you torching the castle over it.

Here's what I get out of this: The Entity, professed Lord of Items raged at an EVE Dev over the loss of some items in his possesion that were effectively owned through illegitimate means then threatened to quit. Well, I have to say my respect level for the guy just dropped through the floor. How about you?

Don't persecute the Devs, they're just doing their jobs. If in the course of that process things happen that you don't like let it be known through the usual means and I'm sure-as in the past-they'll be more than happy to accomodate. No need for pitchforks and machetes I think, particularly aftrer they've already said they're working on fixing it.

Also, if it isn't intended to be in the game in players hands then there is no reason you should have it and no reason you should ever have expected to be able to keep it. Why buy it in the first place? Well, now you have owned it and can make that claim, (as can anyone else who wants to really), and I have to wonder if you got you ISKs worth.

I suppose with all the complaining you didn't but thenit's a bit like buying an F-35 and expecting the government to let you keep it in your garage even though you can't use it. Actually, that would make more sense, but I don't see how you could complain when they came and picked it up without so much as a "..by your leave." Kind of like keeping a Nuke in your basement really.

I do not know the specifics of this problem, however given forum history I am quite certain it is somehow Goonswarm's fault.

.. stuff..

It's a game. Literally everything you own within it is useless, including your character. Some people enjoy getting killmails, others enjoy farming isk, and others still like collecting things. What exactly makes any one of those the right way to play the game, which is constantly labeled as a sandbox?

"If you ask politely maybe you should get it back" Would you have that same attitude if CCP deleted your account? They have every right to do that, as do any gaming company that run MMOs, are you telling me you wouldn't be upset?

Nope. Entity had more isk worth of items removed from him that I currently have isk. Hell, if I were to liquidate all my assets, and sell all my characters, I STILL wouldn't have enough to cover what entity lost because of a dev not double-checking his work, and I'd wager that neither would you.

The dev in question mistakenly deleted literally hundreds of billions of items that he wasn't supposed to. Had he done the reverse, GIVING players items worth that kind of money when he shouldn't have, we'd still be hearing about it years from now (here's lookin at you T20)

I'd say that stealing items from players is notably worse than giving them out, so why then shouldn't people be upset over this dev's screw up?

How exactly do the already in-game items affect balance at all? They useless in terms of performance. You're literally suggesting ccp fix the issue of collectible items by introducing different collectible items. How is that any different/better?

I played in a sandbox once when I was a kid. Thing is, I got expelled from Kindergarten because it just so happens this sandbox had rice in it and I decided to add water to the equation.

Hmm.. that one is actually harder to answer than you might think. I would care, but at the moment I am just paying to train skills and chat on the forums, and aside from a few purchases, I haven't done anything substantial in the game for quite awhile. Either way, it isn't a particularly good comparison given there is some difference between an account and a bunch of stuff in your hangar.

Yeah, farming ISK, (at least where it pertains to RMT, exploits, and botting), is bad or haven't you been keeping up with things? Mostly nobody cares about the exploits I guess, but the other two are quite frowned upon.

Stealing? How does this equal stealing? They were deleted while the Devs were trying to clean up the database. I suppose you've never had the experience of trying to clean something up? Still holding copies of every e-mail you've had since the invention of them are you? Imagine trying to sort through that and delete the spam.

Now you could argue that CCP has the right to take things from its subscribers, but then that same logic could be applied to literally everyone in the game, as stealing is allowed according to the game rules, meaning you've a right to do it within the limits of the game.

[quote=Mars Theran]
Given your obvious lack of enthusiasm for my suggestions and opinions, I'll assume that you weren't quite level headed when you read this. My intent wasn't to imply the lost items hurt game balance, but rather to suggest that apparel as a replacement wasn't going to affect it either.

Minor deletions (zero-content posts removed). Please remember that the items in question were lost due to a technical fault — there's no need to be uncivil towards those who are affected by it.

Hi,

Yes, this happened because of a thing that I did. We're looking at our options right now, but there are some other things I have to sort out first today. We'll get back to you!

-Greyscale

PS My player account owned both blueprints, I understand your pain.

I would also like to know about Capsules. They have been mentioned in the other thread, but no official comment was made. I purchased 2 not long ago.. Transported them via an alt, and traded them to this toon. They were in my hanger. I logged off, back on, and they were gone.