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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#4321 - 2012-04-15 09:14:48 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
CCP karkur, thanks for posting again. Are you the QA now? According to this quote by CCP Bayesian it states that CCP RedDawn is the QA. Did CCP do a stealth reshuffling of employees?
CCP Bayesian wrote:
We have in no particular order:

Designers:
CCP Flying Scotsman
CCP t0rfifrans

Software Engineers:
CCP karkur
CCP Bayesian

QA:
CCP RedDawn
CCP karkur is a UI Programmer (as is clearly stated in her forum signature Smile). From the time this was written then CCP Aporia and CCP Prime (both Programmers) have joined the team.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#4322 - 2012-04-15 09:36:17 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
CCP karkur, thanks for posting again. Are you the QA now? According to this quote by CCP Bayesian it states that CCP RedDawn is the QA. Did CCP do a stealth reshuffling of employees?
CCP Bayesian wrote:
We have in no particular order:

Designers:
CCP Flying Scotsman
CCP t0rfifrans

Software Engineers:
CCP karkur
CCP Bayesian

QA:
CCP RedDawn
CCP karkur is a UI Programmer (as is clearly stated in her forum signature Smile). From the time this was written then CCP Aporia and CCP Prime (both Programmers) have joined the team.


ARRGHH! Then they no longer are four guys and a gal = A-Team! Curse you, CCP! Twisted

OTOH, WiS just got 40% more resources allocated to it! Whoaah!!! Cool
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#4323 - 2012-04-15 09:39:54 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP karkur
DeMichael Crimson wrote:


CCP karkur, thanks for posting again. Are you the QA now? According to this quote by CCP Bayesian it states that CCP RedDawn is the QA. Did CCP do a stealth reshuffling of employees?

Like Explorer said, I am a programmer, but oldbutfeelingyoung was quoting something I said, and then later said "Their QA shows us she doesn,t even know what TA is working on." so I was wondering if that was me (since ginger bearded CCP RedDawn is hardly a "she") Lol

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur

oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#4324 - 2012-04-15 11:07:58 UTC  |  Edited by: oldbutfeelingyoung
but the question stays ,is it possible to let us see what was shown at fanfest roundtables ?

or a link at some ccp video ,in case i missed it

R.S.I2014

Bluddwolf
Heimatar Military Industries
#4325 - 2012-04-15 14:09:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Bluddwolf
CCP Phantom wrote:
Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic, thank you. I read quite a lot of good discussions, arguments forth and back. But please remember to stay polite, even if emotions might run high.

We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things. In the upcoming winter expansion we are going to release the three racial Captains quarters, new ships, features and a lot of stuff.


I'm guessing this hasn't happened yet?

Edit: NVM......

But, I would like to see WiS advance and become more of a social networking feature, rather than having actualy in-game functionality.

Just to have an Executive Board Room, for corporate meetings would be awesome. Having a bar / saloon, salon, tarvern (whatever you want to call it) in every station would also be awesome.

EVE Online Fan ... Looking for "End Game" since 2006 ... Happily, I still havn't found it

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4326 - 2012-04-15 15:33:37 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
CCP Bayesian wrote:
We have in no particular order:

Designers:
CCP Flying Scotsman
CCP t0rfifrans

Software Engineers:
CCP karkur
CCP Bayesian

QA:
CCP RedDawn
CCP karkur is a UI Programmer (as is clearly stated in her forum signature Smile). From the time this was written then CCP Aporia and CCP Prime (both Programmers) have joined the team.


Thanks for the clarification and updated info about Team Avatar. It's good to know Team Avatar is growing and now has 7 members. I wish them all good luck and much success.


CCP karkur wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:


CCP karkur, thanks for posting again. Are you the QA now? According to this quote by CCP Bayesian it states that CCP RedDawn is the QA. Did CCP do a stealth reshuffling of employees?

Like Explorer said, I am a programmer, but oldbutfeelingyoung was quoting something I said, and then later said "Their QA shows us she doesn,t even know what TA is working on." so I was wondering if that was me (since ginger bearded CCP RedDawn is hardly a "she") Lol


I understand now and thanks. Statements can easily be misconstrued which is why I asked. Speaking of statements, any chance of getting some comments pertaining to this?

Quote:
Anyway, in the Fanfest 2012 'CCP Presents' video, CCP t0rfifrans was talking about the Circle of Life for Eve - Destruction, Harvest and Craft. Right now it's Destruction, next phase is Harvest featuring Ring Mining, maybe Salvage Drones with the last phase being Craft, pertaining to Industry and Manufacturing, PoS revamp.

In the preview showing Avatars doing exploration collecting special implant parts, will that be part of the Harvest aspect of the Circle of Life for Eve, implemented in 2013? If that's the case, will we see the other aspects for WiS like Corporation Meeting Rooms and Player Owned Establishments in the Craft aspect of the Circle of Life for Eve, implemented in 2014?


Due to statements made at FanFest - more focused on implementing WiS content that is more in line with the FiS aspect of Eve - some players are now under the impression that there will not be any of the old Ambulation ideas incorporated into WiS content, such as Corporation Meeting Rooms, Command Centers, Player Owned Establishments, Gambling Games, etc..

I didn't perceive it like that. Seemed to me the intention is to first implement content that would appeal to a large portion of the player base and then expand on that into other aspects of the game. I understand nothing is set in stone and just a simple generalization would be much appreciated.

DMC
Soritai
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#4327 - 2012-04-15 21:16:49 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
From the videos I gather that CCP has done a 180 and is turning Wis from a social/roleplay/immersion tool into just more 0.0 space. Have roleplay environments been scrapped entirely?
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#4328 - 2012-04-15 21:20:35 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Soritai wrote:

From the videos I gather that CCP has done a 180 and is turning Wis from a social/roleplay/immersion tool into just more 0.0 space. Have roleplay environments been scrapped entirely?


My Magic 8-Ball says no.

Edit: CCP probably just wants to come out with some actual meaningful content at the same time.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Soritai
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#4329 - 2012-04-15 21:30:40 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Lapine Davion wrote:
Soritai wrote:

From the videos I gather that CCP has done a 180 and is turning Wis from a social/roleplay/immersion tool into just more 0.0 space. Have roleplay environments been scrapped entirely?


My Magic 8-Ball says no.

Edit: CCP probably just wants to come out with some actual meaningful content at the same time.


Well if ccp hasn't said definitively, this is a pretty reasonable response, thanks.
FoxFire Ayderan
#4330 - 2012-04-15 21:39:01 UTC

I should think that if they want to make game-play content for the avatars, THEN it's a pretty simple matter to create some in-station RP spaces as well. They are primarily just environments. Things to do there would be nice, but just having the environments is key.






Flamespar
WarRavens
Imperium Eden
#4331 - 2012-04-16 00:01:13 UTC
Given that there is pressure to remove local. CCP needs to ensure that players are still able to meet and socialise so they can form friendships and corporations.

A social space on stations would help provide this.
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#4332 - 2012-04-16 11:01:01 UTC
Kengutsi Akira wrote:


you being twice as old is irrelevant to the agrument too
WiS was part of why ppl; left the game. Deal with it. I know youd rather pretend it wasnt and shout down anyone saying it was but.... it was.


No it was not, the way it was implemented was, the way it performed was (in small part), The NeX was. CCP calling us the golden goose to squeeze out P2WIN in macro transactions was. CCP introducing magical golden scorpions was. CCP trying to mute the (late)CSM rage minutes was.

The very Idea of WiS has been introduced in EVE by CCP since 2005-2006 and has been a concept from earlier. It has always been part of the future of eve. That is a fact and can be verified by many forums threads and videos of CCP themselves since they launched the game.

I left after being a good customer of CCP's since the launch of the game not because I didn't want WiS but because I didn't want an eve that was based on crappy principles, aurum, nex and fail-cascade hubris filled nonsense buzzwords like "fearless". I returned because CCP understood they should first fix a game, introduce new elements and flesh out their world while doing upkeep of the existing gameplay elements.

I look forward in running around in the new improved POS that will have WiS "easily" implemented thanks to its modular one piece construction and scavenging stuff in abandoned stations while ships await my return. I want everything that was promised in the eve forever and eve future vision trailers. I don't want a part of that vision I want the whole pie, but I want it in a sustained, correct, feasible and technically well introduced manner with gameplay, rewards, death and glory. (and explosions).

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]

Ai Shun
#4333 - 2012-04-16 11:06:08 UTC
Ciar Meara wrote:
No it was not, the way it was implemented was, the way it performed was (in small part), The NeX was. CCP calling us the golden goose to squeeze out P2WIN in macro transactions was. CCP introducing magical golden scorpions was. CCP trying to mute the (late)CSM rage minutes was.


Qualified by saying: "for you". Sadly we may never hear from anyone that left because of that. I think in a large degree though, WiS is the visible scapegoat; because it is the feature most associated with the events of that time. So there's a kind of confluence in the minds of some (And mine as well) that it is the reason why FiS was neglected, why CCP was pushing to rake every last dollar, etc. (Even if it wasn't)
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4334 - 2012-04-16 22:25:50 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Ciar Meara wrote:
No it was not, the way it was implemented was, the way it performed was (in small part), The NeX was. CCP calling us the golden goose to squeeze out P2WIN in macro transactions was. CCP introducing magical golden scorpions was. CCP trying to mute the (late)CSM rage minutes was.


Qualified by saying: "for you". Sadly we may never hear from anyone that left because of that. I think in a large degree though, WiS is the visible scapegoat; because it is the feature most associated with the events of that time. So there's a kind of confluence in the minds of some (And mine as well) that it is the reason why FiS was neglected, why CCP was pushing to rake every last dollar, etc. (Even if it wasn't)

The voice of all those players can be heard simply by reviewing the threads being posted during that time. Please take a look at the archives. Constantly attacking and blaming WiS for the failed Incarna expansion and trying to associate WiS with neglecting FiS content denotes a biased opinion due to lack of information.
Ai Shun
#4335 - 2012-04-16 22:46:56 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Ciar Meara wrote:
No it was not, the way it was implemented was, the way it performed was (in small part), The NeX was. CCP calling us the golden goose to squeeze out P2WIN in macro transactions was. CCP introducing magical golden scorpions was. CCP trying to mute the (late)CSM rage minutes was.


Qualified by saying: "for you". Sadly we may never hear from anyone that left because of that. I think in a large degree though, WiS is the visible scapegoat; because it is the feature most associated with the events of that time. So there's a kind of confluence in the minds of some (And mine as well) that it is the reason why FiS was neglected, why CCP was pushing to rake every last dollar, etc. (Even if it wasn't)

The voice of all those players can be heard simply by reviewing the threads being posted during that time. Please take a look at the archives. Constantly attacking and blaming WiS for the failed Incarna expansion and trying to associate WiS with neglecting FiS content denotes a biased opinion due to lack of information.


I am not attacking WiS or blaming it. I understand concepts like "visible scapegoat" and "event if it wasn't" are difficult to understand. Please send me an EVE Mail if you would like them explained; I'm happy to take the time to do so.

Unless of course you are just deliberately mispresenting what I said because you are still upset over the time I called you on your lie that "most players wants WiS". In which case - carry on. I can't really help you feel better about that.

And no, you cannot rely on the forum as a source of information. All the players in-game do not post on the forums. That is a self-selecting sample and is certainly unreliable information.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#4336 - 2012-04-17 00:52:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Hammond II
Ciar Meara wrote:
Kengutsi Akira wrote:


you being twice as old is irrelevant to the agrument too
WiS was part of why ppl; left the game. Deal with it. I know youd rather pretend it wasnt and shout down anyone saying it was but.... it was.


No it was not, the way it was implemented was, the way it performed was (in small part), The NeX was. CCP calling us the golden goose to squeeze out P2WIN in macro transactions was. CCP introducing magical golden scorpions was. CCP trying to mute the (late)CSM rage minutes was.



AGAIN, quote the post where he said WiS was the


ONLY


reason ppl left the game.
I seperated that out cause ppl are having a hard time with it

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Ai Shun
#4337 - 2012-04-17 01:15:42 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
AGAIN, quote the post where he said WiS was the


ONLY


reason ppl left the game.
I seperated that out cause ppl are having a hard time with it


True.

I strongly suspect that WiS is getting the blame for a lot of it in the hearts / minds of players though. Not because it was at fault; but because it was the fail-feature half delivered at the time. It was the one aspect of NeX and micro-transactions that was visible. It was the elephant in the living room that did just about nothing except melt video cards for poorly performing systems and it has a strong association with other reasons for failure that just became visible because of it.

I hope CCP can find a way around that initial impression, because if you look at some of the concept avatars that are created (See www.eveportraits.com) there is some amazing scope from a character creation aspect. It has a lot of potential.
drdxie
#4338 - 2012-04-17 01:21:07 UTC
We are all here to fly spaceships and blow stuff up, NPC's, other players, space rocks.. .why on earth would I want to walk around in a station I will probably never load anyway. If you bored of flying space ships.. can I haz your stuff... then go take your dollies out the cupboard and have tea parties Blink

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277

Ai Shun
#4339 - 2012-04-17 01:32:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Ai Shun
drdxie wrote:
We are all here to fly spaceships and blow stuff up, NPC's, other players, space rocks.. .why on earth would I want to walk around in a station I will probably never load anyway. If you bored of flying space ships.. can I haz your stuff... then go take your dollies out the cupboard and have tea parties Blink


^^ that is the reason why WiS needs to be a separate game, like Dust 514, but using the WoD team, linked to EVE for capsuleers that want to use it and focussing on avatar based gameplay.

There are a number of players like you and forcing something on them that is against what EVE has had as content for the last decade is wrong. That's why it really should be a separate, yet linked game so WiS can stand on its own with its own funding, gameplay, etc.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#4340 - 2012-04-17 03:17:50 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Spitfire
Please do not bring this discussion to a personal level. Spitfire

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.