Wormholes

Log before you flog!

Or we might get another rage post.

You sound like a JEDI

because Two Step said so.

Yeah I heard quite a few Wormholers were coming to High Sec to do Incursions, I have no doubt they're raking it in!

I do both. WH's and Incursions.

The incursion money prior to the nerf for me and the fleets I flew with was up to 160mil an hour, in perfect conditions a bit more.

I don't get near that amount in a C4, especially when sharing the sites with others. And you must remember, we don't get a spawn to replace the site we just completed within 2-3 minutes in a WH.

If I run incursions solidly for a week I would earn 2-3 billion, maybe more. In a good week in the C4 I would be lucky to get a billion.

And lastly your so called isk faucet of blue loot in wormholes is offset by an isk sink to some degree, that being ship, loot and pos losses.

In 12 months of incursioning I have lost 2 ships, one to a stupid mistake by me and one to a logi dc. total about 2 billion isk

In 6 months of being in a wormhole I have lost 10+ ships to other players and my mistakes. Total about 5-6 billion isk.

Posting in a terrible troll thread.

Worst thing is, I reckon he's just giving the illusion he's trolling in order to gauge others responses and see if they agree with his own

I could actually agree on nerfing the income from sleepers with 10% if we got instant bounty payout rather than blue items that you need to haul to empire and sell.

Alternatively, remove all bounties from the game and replace with their own version of blue loot that every carebear has to move into high/low/npc null and sell.

We shall see how happy every incursion or mission runner will be when his ship full of bounty loot gets suicide ganked and he realize everything he worked for during a week is lost in a glorious fire.

Actually to be fair ship losses are not technically ISK sinks, although item and ship destruction is a pretty fundamental requirement for Eve's economy it is not due to them removing ISK from the game. If anything, thanks to insurance, ship losses are actually an ISK faucet. (Unless you're in T2/T3 ships, naturlich.)

Also, the blue loot Darth is going on about is actually an ISK faucet, it's the data things you sell to NPC market orders.


Actually no, in a C5+ you can make a reasonable amount from the capital escalations etc. but most of your ISK will come from the high end ladars. Again, this is profit that you will not be getting from blue loot, but from selling goods. The combat sites will quickly be exhausted by any alliance/corp, and remember that you have to share profit for the limited number of sites you have access to.

For a solo player C3s and below are the only realistic option, C4s are probably the limit for the slightly more determined solo players with multiple accounts. However, even dual boxing WHs, you will still make less ISK per hour than you would dual boxing incursions. And you're risking your ships, and half your ISK comes in the form of ribbons which again, isn't just magical ISK stuck into your wallet.


A lot of people dual box incursions, and 160m isn't that unrealistic for us. And before you say "I'd never have a dual boxer in my fleet", we don't tell you we're dual boxing. "Can I bring my friends who're also in shiny ships" usually translates into "I'm dual/triple boxing, but I'll be damned if I'll admit it to you".


I would hazard a guess his mistakes led to death from other players, NPC deaths are pretty rare.


The problem is you seem to believe CCP's intent with the upcoming changes was to decrease inflation, I see no evidence of this. They were merely performing risk/reward rebalancing, and attempting to fix the mining profession. I'm also pretty sure they are well aware of the risks of mudflation, which is probably why they are now going on an RMT sweep, following in the foot steps of Final Fantasy XI's creators.

Anyway, so far they seem to have done a good job, but in order to see that first you need to realize that their intent was never to provide us all with cheap ships and modules.

actually you are wrong here. the main income in higher class wormhole space is blue loot. where in low class wormholes most income hopefully comes from the salvaged nanoribbons, and you basically get lucky or unlucky on paychecks, the amount of elite sleeper battleships that you get from quad escalating every anomaly and radar/mag will yield so much blue loot that it outshines nanoribbons by far (though those are always tasty)

as for the ladars. yes, they can actually make you some nice money, and probebly come near regular sleeper ops in terms of income. the reason why in reality they mostly dont is
1. they are harder to find then anomalies.
2. they take a lot longer to do.
3. the sleeper spawn mechanics are annoying. warp to it, go afk half an hour, clean sleepers and then you can do it.
4. the vital and core ladars, where the good stuff is are fairly rare. even if you chain collapse your static it can take several tries to find a single one. and while you can easily have 2 fleets of farming t3's in a c5 running the sites at the same time, the limited amount of ladars make this anything but viable for the bigger alliances