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so the hulk WTF CCP?!!?!?

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#341 - 2012-04-11 19:15:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Jojo Jackson wrote:
EvilweaselFinance wrote:
i would be happy to discuss with you what the **** you are doing putting a mwd on a hulk please give me some insight here

Jojo Jackson wrote:

EvilweaselFinance wrote:
what the **** are you doing putting a mwd on a hulk


Dude read the text:
"closest to common PvP ship fitting for standart tech 2 BC".

Do you ever saw a not-fail fit for Claymore, Sleibnir, Nighthawk WITHOUT MWD ?????????????


If you are unable to scroll up and find the reason.

But for god will remove the MWD and use a LSB
[Hulk, New Setup 2]
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Booster II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I

Mining Drone II x5

still the same damn CPU+PG+CAP+CAP RECHARGE problems.

TECH II BATTLECRUISER compared to command ships !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ate my text batman.

Anyway you don't active tank and passive tank at the same time.

Ditch the large booster, before you look like a...

...too late!!!

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Prince Kobol
#342 - 2012-04-11 19:15:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Adunh Slavy wrote:
@ Tip
The amount of complaints about its lack of survivability proves something as well. Of course this is easier to ignore right?

You can cease with the personl pronouns about how and what I fit, the hulk I do have is rather old, and until very recently wasn't worth undocking at all, and frankly still isn't.

And there are better ways to make a ship gank proof than fitting a tank, but I'll let you ponder that one, see if it'll drag you out of your black and white box of safe arguments.


The amount of complaints about its lack of survivability proves how many lazy ass miners there are who expect their hulk to survive whilst they are afk.

You keep saying that a hulk is not worth the isk and that they are easy to gank, then why have I not lost 1 hulk, over 4 accounts in over 2 years of playing Eve and I'm as high sec carebear as one can get.

Jesus for the last 3 weeks I have been grinding mining missions ffs.

I keep saying it over and over again, if you fit your hulk with a nice balance between yield and tank, don't go afk, do your intel, talk to your fellow miners in the same system and look out for each other, the chances of you getting gank are very slim.

If you decided to fit a **** poor tank, do intel on the system you are mining in, ignore everybody in local and go afk then your chances of losing your ships is greatly increased and rightly so.
Whitehound
#343 - 2012-04-11 19:15:53 UTC
A lot of good points here for why the Hulk should get improved. I, too, can fly one but I never bothered with buying just a single one when I can fly a much cheaper Covetor with a tank just as useless, but nearly the same mining yield as a Hulk. Everything about the Hulk speaks against the rule that says only to fly a ship one can afford to lose. These ORE ships were designed without ganking and Hulkageddon in mind. Ganking of Hulks is merely the proof of the imbalance, just like masses of Falcons were proof of it and the masses of Drakes are, too. The Hulk is currently not a ship worth 300m ISKs.

For comparison, a Noctis which is not a warship either and gets to see less pirates than a mining ship and has got a power grid of 250 PG and can fit an LSE next to a 10MN MWD. The Hulk has got 35 PG...

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Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#344 - 2012-04-11 19:21:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jojo Jackson
Darth Gustav wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Nobody fits a booster and an extender.


HAHAHAHA

To obviously trolling
Get brain to get the sense behind this fit.

LSE => from 1994 to 5439 shild == anti sozials like you need more then just a 15m T2 fit Trasher to gank (FU YOU)
LSB => normal NPC tanking

And I would fit even more EHP into the MISSING 4 slots just to make YOU use more expensive ships!

PS:
[Claymore, New Setup 2]
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]

Large Shield Booster II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

8*[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Hulk = 20k EHP, Claymore = 120k EHP ... WTF FAIL BALANCE !!!!!!!!!

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Adunh Slavy
#345 - 2012-04-11 19:22:12 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:

The amount of complaints about its lack of survivability proves how many lazy ass miners there are who expect their hulk to survive whilst they are afk.


IMO that's more a problem with mining. If it were not so boring, there'd be a lot less AFK.

Prince Kobol wrote:

You keep saying that a hulk is not worth the isk and that they are easy to gank, then why have I not lost 1 hulk, over 4 accounts in over 2 years of playing Eve and I'm as high sec carebear as one can get.


I still have the first hulk I bought six years ago, it has been in high sec, low sec and worm holes.

Prince Kobol wrote:

I keep saying it over and over again, if you fit your hulk with a nice balance between yield and tank, don't go afk, do your intel, talk to your fellow miners in the same system and look out for each other, the chances of you getting gank are very slim.


And that is more important than this mindless tank/gank conversation that narrow minded people like to focus upon.

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#346 - 2012-04-11 19:23:17 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Nobody fits a booster and an extender.


HAHAHAHA

To obviously trolling
Get brain to get the sense behind this fit.

LSE => from 1994 to 5439 shild == anti sozials like you need more then just a 15m T2 fit Trasher to gank (FU YOU)
LSB => normal NPC tanking

And I would fit even more EHP into the MISSING 4 slots just to make YOU use more expensive ships!

Try an invul instead of the booster for NPC tanking.

You can buffer tank the NPC rats anywhere in high-sec and it ******* compliments your shield extender.

Oh look a ******* ton of grid just opened up! Roll

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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#347 - 2012-04-11 19:24:58 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

On the left, fully insurable, zero cost disposable ship. Won't even care to tank it, it's free and disposable anyway.

On the right, more training intensive, 10x times more expensive ship, tanked enough to withstand the average ganker. It'll still die, expecially come

insert here any of Hulkageddon, ice interdiction, Bat Country, racketing

for near of the above ship yield.

Anyone see something wrong? No, eh?


You are stupid to try and mine in hulkageddon/BAT interdiction area?

The hardest mining ship in empire to gank is the veldought and even that docks up in hulkageddon.


Most ppl I know dont and dont get ganked lol

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Yes
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#348 - 2012-04-11 19:28:56 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
Fractal Muse wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:

So why is there a thread every thirty seconds.

Instead of learning how to fit a bit of a tank onto their ship and paying attention while mining (keeping an eye on local, scanning, being aligned to a safe spot


Sigh, another one who never actually mined (yes you are smart for doing not so).
You DO realize that at some point I lose contact with the stooped roid and sluggish as that brick in space is, if I'm not blind by pure boredom or just look the other way because i'm distracted having doing NOT A THING for ages I lose whatever is between the roid and my under tanked Hulk, while I try to make a turn to a second safespot?


Mining is one of the worst badly developed and implemented, even under developed things in EVE with CCP looking the other way for over 6 years.



Did you ever notice that the better mining equipment has better range?

Do you realize that the reason for this is more than simply making it easier to stay in a group to make your haulers life easier?

Pick two celestials roughly opposite each other, then at 3/4 speed approach first one to the limits of your equipments range, then reverse course and head for the other.

Have your Orca tractor the cans in (it too has excellent range for a reason, or have your haulers jump directly to you for can pick up.

If you simply can't stay focused on what you are doing, take turns with other people in your group to keep an eye on local and D scan.

Seriously, do you think your average gate camp is easier to stay focused on when things are slow? Keeping yourself safe is as easy or as hard as you wish to make it.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#349 - 2012-04-11 19:32:05 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I would ignore Tippa, he is one of those people who does not understand that "my opinion" is not the same as "the only opinion" or "the truth" . It is in fact just another random person's opinion.


For more random opinions, see Tippa's rants


No you don't ingnore Tippia. She's so incredibly predictable and totally blindfolded in her opinions you can bait her to post whatever and bump threads forever.

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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#350 - 2012-04-11 19:38:02 UTC
an you can AFK mission why is it such a horrifying EVE sin that you can AFK mine?

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Yes
Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#351 - 2012-04-11 19:40:27 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
A lot of good points here for why the Hulk should get improved. I, too, can fly one but I never bothered with buying just a single one when I can fly a much cheaper Covetor with a tank just as useless, but nearly the same mining yield as a Hulk. Everything about the Hulk speaks against the rule that says only to fly a ship one can afford to lose. These ORE ships were designed without ganking and Hulkageddon in mind. Ganking of Hulks is merely the proof of the imbalance, just like masses of Falcons were proof of it and the masses of Drakes are, too. The Hulk is currently not a ship worth 300m ISKs.

For comparison, a Noctis which is not a warship either and gets to see less pirates than a mining ship and has got a power grid of 250 PG and can fit an LSE next to a 10MN MWD. The Hulk has got 35 PG...


Yep.
The advantages a Hulk has over a Covetor or too minor to be justified by the 500% premium. Total wastes of ISK until they give it a little something extra to justify the expense.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#352 - 2012-04-11 19:43:04 UTC
Sycho Pathic wrote:
Yep.
The advantages a Hulk has over a Covetor or too minor to be justified by the 500% premium. Total wastes of ISK until they give it a little something extra to justify the expense.

Assuming for a second that you're not just trolling…

…it would be a lot easier to buy into that reasoning if it weren't for the fact that the Hulk is so immensely more popular than the Covetor, and that the numbers do not support the claim that the advantage the former has is very minor. If the advantage really was that small, wouldn't the Covetor be the far more popular of the two, and wouldn't it be the Hulk that got a much-needed usability boost in Inferno rather than the other way around?
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#353 - 2012-04-11 19:47:49 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I would ignore Tippa, he is one of those people who does not understand that "my opinion" is not the same as "the only opinion" or "the truth" . It is in fact just another random person's opinion.


For more random opinions, see Tippa's rants


No you don't ingnore Tippia. She's so incredibly predictable and totally blindfolded in her opinions you can bait her to post whatever and bump threads forever.



And he does not take losing an argument very well, as I can attest Big smile

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J Kunjeh
#354 - 2012-04-11 19:48:24 UTC
This might have already been said, but I thought I'd leave this here (sorry, haven't caught up on the last 8 pages):

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/04/fit-of-week-bait-hulk.html

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Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#355 - 2012-04-11 19:55:02 UTC
J Kunjeh wrote:
This might have already been said, but I thought I'd leave this here (sorry, haven't caught up on the last 8 pages):

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/04/fit-of-week-bait-hulk.html

Sounds cool but isn't.

This blog is about "special operation bait hulk". As the two CFC trolls before told me "noone would ever fly this fit except for lulz".

The flamed me for LSE+LSB ... I'll now do the same "WTF who fits Cap Booster and Bulkheads on a Hulk?".

If you expect every miner to fly this fit, you fail.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#356 - 2012-04-11 19:56:08 UTC
J Kunjeh wrote:
This might have already been said, but I thought I'd leave this here (sorry, haven't caught up on the last 8 pages):

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/04/fit-of-week-bait-hulk.html



I would imagine that a raw EHP build will surpass any attempt to active tank in a gank situation.

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Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#357 - 2012-04-11 19:56:32 UTC
I finally figured it out:

100k EHP Mining Hulk


[Abaddon, Hulk]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Survey Scanner II
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II

Large Anti-Explosive Pump II
Large Trimark Armor Pump II
Large Trimark Armor Pump II


Warrior II x5
Mining Drone II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#358 - 2012-04-11 20:00:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Did you bother to compare ore yield? No, I guess not Roll
Oh and cargo bay genius.

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Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#359 - 2012-04-11 20:04:12 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Did you bother to compare ore yield? No, I guess not Roll
Oh and cargo bay genius.


Ore yield when dead: 0
Ore yield when alive: 900/second

Jetisson your cargo and come back in an Iteron V.

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Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#360 - 2012-04-11 20:05:39 UTC
Aranakas wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Did you bother to compare ore yield? No, I guess not Roll
Oh and cargo bay genius.


Ore yield when dead: 0
Ore yield when alive: 900/second

Jetisson your cargo and come back in an Iteron V.

So the gankers don't gank your hulk but your Iteron V to lough again as they doestroyed all your work within second?

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!