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New Dev Blog: Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2012: The Conclusion

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Gideon Tyler
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1021 - 2012-03-29 18:02:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Gideon Tyler
The Mittani did himself in on the Alliance Panel and there can be little argument about that. That being said, CCP did probably err in the following:

1) Allowing intoxicated persons participate in the panel

2) Allowing people on the panel to drink during the panel

3) Approving some pretty distasteful slideshows and thus giving their tacit endorsement to said content

4) Allowing the Alliance panel to operate without moderation by CCP

Looking to next year, such reforms would include barring obviously intoxicated panelists from participating, not permitting drinking during panels, and CCP employees moderating the panels, and exercising more caution when reviewing/approving materials for panels.

CCP did not create this fiasco, but CCP did create an environment that permitted, and perhaps even encouraged this nonsense in the first place. Corrections should be made going forward.
Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1022 - 2012-03-29 18:03:34 UTC
CCP Xhagen wrote:

Q1, CCP forced the resignation of the CSM Chairman.
A1, As a part of the CSM bylaws, banned players are ineligible to sit on the CSM. This would have been an unfortunate side effect of CCP feeling that a temporary ban was the correct course of action in this case.
However, prior to any notification to this effect, The chairman of CSM6 resigned of his own volition as he had previously announced that he would do. Since the chair resigned from CSM 6 prior to being banned and was not yet seated on CSM 7 he will be able to run for future CSMs.


Hi CCP Xhagen, which CSM bylaw are you applying in this case? The document linked from the CSM community page is this one: http://community.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdf

In the section on candidate eligbility it states:

Quote:
Also, players with a serious warning22 or ban on any account in their possession can be excluded from candidate eligibility. However, in-game behavior, regardless of play style, will never be a criterion for candidacy unless the rules of the EULA
and/or TOS are violated.


This is a get out clause, not a hard and fast rule so this doesn't mandate The Mittani's exclusion from CSM6 or 7.

The section on representative conduct states:

Quote:
any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. there are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.


Now this is a little ambiguous because its not clear whether "the council" refers to the current iteration of the CSM or all iterations. However, the interpretation implied by your statement is that it refers only to CSM6, in which case he should still be eligible for CSM7. If that is not the case he should be barred from all future CSMs.

If I'm referring to the wrong versions of the byelaws then please let me know, however the pdf above is linked from the CSM community page (http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/). I'm also aware that at the end of the day you don't have to abide by these self imposed rules, however I'd appreciate if you didn't try to paint this as a decision forced upon you by them when it clearly isn't.
Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1023 - 2012-03-29 18:03:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Dez Affinity
I just like the Titan nerf thread where Raiden whined like babbies and were 'cancelling their accounts'. And goons trololol'd them.

This is an exact replica with a different alliance ticker.

I get to laugh at both of them. It's so cute.
Entombment
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#1024 - 2012-03-29 18:03:48 UTC
Dez Affinity wrote:
~10058~


Actually our exit polls showed that this year mittens got 10,011 votes from inside the coalition, only 47 outside of the CFC voted for him and they could very well have been alts.
Li Charen-Teng
#1025 - 2012-03-29 18:04:30 UTC
Thanks for clarification, CCP Xhagen.

I voted for Mittani in CSM6 and he got none from me in CSM7 - his elitist attitude that he gained over the CSM6 period just a bad copy of old BOB and I seriously can't support that. Death to all shield supercaps!

Checking EVE GATE every few minutes...
Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1026 - 2012-03-29 18:05:12 UTC
Entombment wrote:
Dez Affinity wrote:
~10058~


Actually our exit polls showed that this year mittens got 10,011 votes from inside the coalition, only 47 outside of the CFC voted for him and they could very well have been alts.


Is your exit poll the redirect you had on your killboard? 'Cause I put i had 99 accounts about 5 times.
Col Spinks
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#1027 - 2012-03-29 18:05:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Col Spinks
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:

Do you really seek to disenfranchise over ten thousand people?
Hah, the last person to do that was Vladimir Putin!


Putin on the Ritz. Big smile

Seriously, far less people would have cared if the whole cyberbullying thing wasn't an issue in current media today.
Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1028 - 2012-03-29 18:08:56 UTC
Dez Affinity wrote:
Entombment wrote:
Dez Affinity wrote:
~10058~


Actually our exit polls showed that this year mittens got 10,011 votes from inside the coalition, only 47 outside of the CFC voted for him and they could very well have been alts.


Is your exit poll the redirect you had on your killboard? 'Cause I put i had 99 accounts about 5 times.


Solo pretty religiously Drakbanned any odd results.
Care Bear King
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1029 - 2012-03-29 18:11:20 UTC
Not a goon.

I was opposed to The Mittani's first term, but voted for him this time around based off what he did last time. Forcing someone to resign from CSM7 by suggesting they can run again under some technical loophole when they got more votes this time around than #2 and #3 combined is easily as terrible as this long, long sentence.

HTFU indeed.

What's next, someone getting PL banned for feeling offended by their copious use of the word '******' in voice chat?

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A Mittani-less CSM7 does not represent the players. Bring on CSM8.
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#1030 - 2012-03-29 18:12:54 UTC
Dez Affinity wrote:
Entombment wrote:
Dez Affinity wrote:
~10058~


Actually our exit polls showed that this year mittens got 10,011 votes from inside the coalition, only 47 outside of the CFC voted for him and they could very well have been alts.


Is your exit poll the redirect you had on your killboard? 'Cause I put i had 99 accounts about 5 times.

sneaky, no way we would have thought to bounce all the input from people saying they had 99 accounts
Col Spinks
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#1031 - 2012-03-29 18:13:19 UTC
Li Charen-Teng wrote:
Thanks for clarification, CCP Xhagen.

I voted for Mittani in CSM6 and he got none from me in CSM7 - his elitist attitude that he gained over the CSM6 period just a bad copy of old BOB and I seriously can't support that. Death to all shield supercaps!


Saying that El Mittani "gained" and elitist attitude during CSM6 is just showing the rest of us that either you weren't here before CSM 6, or that you just weren't paying attention.
Chimz Domsathanas
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1032 - 2012-03-29 18:17:35 UTC
1. That Mitt guy apologized for his actions and realized the seriousness of what he did
2. He then equates a 30 day ban to being Nailed to a cross or Kicked off a cliff

If the analogy of eve banning him for 30 days equates to being "nailed to a cross" or being some religious martyr. What would his analogy be for what he did to that Wis guy

Mitt guy acknowledged what he did was awful. If a 30 ban = "religious martyr" or "kicked of a cliff?"

What would real life harassment , torment, email spamming, virus spamming, etc equate to?


moved thread her like instructed =D
Kosh Seere
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1033 - 2012-03-29 18:18:54 UTC
You all scream about Goons/CFC tears, but all I see are pubbies who think they finally have a chance to strike back for all the grief caused. It's not like the CFC is disbanding because you think you've "won".

Skill yourself!
Kosh Seere
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1034 - 2012-03-29 18:21:12 UTC
Chicken Pizza wrote:
You morons say "10,058" like it's a large number. Do you even realize how many of those votes were probably alts? Do you know how many votes Obama alone received in the US 2008 presidential election? 69,456,897 votes. 52.92% of all of the voters in the third most populated country in the world. Kinda puts things into perspective, huh?

If Obama went live and told everyone in the US to feel free to call/mail/message a specific person and tell them to kill themselves, do you really think he would still be in office for much longer?

Most of you won't un-sub. Of the ones who do, I'm sure many, if not most, will inevitably re-sub. If you don't, good riddance.

Why don't you try looking at it conversely? Out of 59,109 votes cast, Mittani only received 10,058. That means 49,051 votes were NOT for Mittani. 83% of the votes/voters did NOT want Mittani for CSM. So while you're all bitching about how all 10,058 of you wanted Mittani to be CSM, consider the fact that the other 49,051 of us don't give a **** about what you think.

Math rules.

Your math is awesome... especially where you compare the US population to the EVE pop. Go skill yourself.

Skill yourself!
Deeavlo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1035 - 2012-03-29 18:22:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Deeavlo
Li Charen-Teng wrote:
Thanks for clarification, CCP Xhagen.

I voted for Mittani in CSM6 and he got none from me in CSM7 - his elitist attitude that he gained over the CSM6 period just a bad copy of old BOB and I seriously can't support that. Death to all shield supercaps!



If I were a huge part of a reason having good intentions of saving a video game company from committing seppuku by having mircotransaction items costing 60 IRL bucks, forcing their players contained in a small rusty 3rd world country like rooms with zero gameplay all the while melting their video cards, diverting their efforts from their flagship spaceship game to focus on twilight online and thus making countless of players regain their optimism for the future of Eve/CCP not seen since Apocrypha then resubbing again, I'd be smug as **** too.
The Illuminist
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1036 - 2012-03-29 18:23:27 UTC  |  Edited by: The Illuminist
I haven't played much over the past few months and have only kept my account alive due to my love and memories of the game. This is as good a reason to let my account expire. EULA/TOS applying to real life actions? 10k+ votes just flushed? You've really overstepped this time. Where is the line drawn? I said some EULA/TOS forbidden things today at work. Am I banned now?

Bad show, CCP.
Li Charen-Teng
#1037 - 2012-03-29 18:28:59 UTC
Mittani is not the only guy responsible guy for the good changes we had with Crucible. He was just the face to the media, he ****** up his face to the media in Q&A session with TOS violation. HTFU - the other guys in CSM6/7 will not break your game.

Checking EVE GATE every few minutes...
Lillith
Endgegner.
Pandemic Horde
#1038 - 2012-03-29 18:29:57 UTC
YES YES YES. Finally justice has been served!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quinn Eskimo
Strategic Insanity.
Disaster Strikes
#1039 - 2012-03-29 18:30:09 UTC
Extremely bad decision on behalf of CCP. Banning a player after a public and private apology was made. On top of that a donation of billions to help lessen the insult and they still crucify him.

Mittani should be unbanned and allowed to continue his role on the CSM.

Darius III needs to be exterminated from the CSM, his posts are blatantly awful. He is derogatory beyond hope and is an insult to all those players who invest actual time and effort into helping improve this game.

Hows abouts CCP puts forward the list of remaining candidates and those 10,000 votes can be put towards selecting a replacement for Mittens. Just a thought like.....

''May Chaos Reign forever across the bleakness that is Eve''
Kosh Seere
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1040 - 2012-03-29 18:32:38 UTC
T'hena Kha'tek wrote:
Quote:
10 058 bees after you.


Grow a spine would you and get your facts straight.
There is only 8323 people in your alliance and out of the 123 corps under your umbrella, 3601 are under the gewns ticker. So even if all 8323 voted which is highly unlikey unless all corp's kick inactive members after 4-6 weeks your only looking at 2000-3000 active players based on a 1.8 vote per person with a few other alliances in CFC making up the numbers.

So No there is probably only 2-3k bumble bees and the rest are Pubbies arent they ?


You forget, there's about 27000+ accouns in CFC. Or did you think that only Goons would come gank you?

Like the rest of us doesn't wanna have any fun?

Skill yourself!