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New Dev Blog: Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2012: The Conclusion

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Max Wager
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#701 - 2012-03-29 02:05:54 UTC
Democracy at its finest I see. Fortunately, I have plenty of experience with my votes being worthless.
Taihbea
Doomheim
#702 - 2012-03-29 02:09:06 UTC
Yeep wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

So given the CSM was formed partially as an oversight body to look at CCPs internal proceedures and ensure t20 didn't happen again and was supposed to include players of good character and trustworthy community-centric outlook - how do you propose that kind of body could get any real respect if it was not itself held to the standards expected of the rest of the community?


If I was one of the remaining CSM members I'd sure as **** be considering resigning right now. If CCP had any intention of taking their much lauded (in both the gaming and mainstream press) player council seriously they'd have either respected the consensus they reached or told them right from the start it was out of their hands. Instead the CSM are given the illusion of legitimacy then overruled mere hours later.

That doesn't sound like the new CCP we were promised oh so recently, that sounds like the bad CCP of old who suffer from bad internal communication and schizophrenic public relations.

And that doesn't bear well for the future of Eve.


This is why you are not one of them. Shortsighted, not really clever and far from smart!
They are not there to fall behind some frat tool. They are there to make this game better!
Megalift
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
#703 - 2012-03-29 02:13:36 UTC
We all can see who has the power here. 10,000 player votes vs CSM vs CCP. Today is the beginning of the end for Eve.
ceaon
#704 - 2012-03-29 02:15:46 UTC
i really want to know from a legal point of view how CCP extend EvE EULA to real life

what kind of legal magic you need in order to do this ?


tia

is all about money

Flette
Rosen Association
#705 - 2012-03-29 02:17:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Flette
Megalift wrote:
We all can see who has the power here. 10,000 player votes vs CSM vs CCP. Today is the beginning of the end for Eve.


Because of the Mittani.



In all seroiusness, CCP has all the power. Always has. Always will. What else did you think?

Oh, and for the record, this is how it should be. CCP is a business. Their motivation to make profit is known. What is the Mittani's motivation? With this single presentation he has brought an awful lot of damage to the game we all play. CCP did not do this.
Taihbea
Doomheim
#706 - 2012-03-29 02:17:28 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Spitfire
Megalift wrote:
We all can see who has the power here. 10,000 player votes vs CSM vs CCP. Today is the beginning of the end for Eve.


*snip* That was uncalled for. Spitfire

Dude. Goons can quit and war for their region will fuel up eve to some nasty temps.
Nobody gives a **** about a bunch of whiney noobs Big smile
If they leave it's going to be awesome. Big null space to fill!
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#707 - 2012-03-29 02:18:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
Lt Pizi wrote:


i feel bad for ccp .. all they wantet is DUST EVE interaction all over the press after FF

all they got was a drunken guy that couldnot handle himself ....

edit wrong quoting


That's CCP's own dumb fault for letting players get really drunk and be on stage. It's like they were thinking "LOL if the players are drunk on stage it will be wacky and funny".... and each year people seem to try and out-do each other by being more drunk.

Something like this was bound to happen. To be honest every year I watch fanfest waiting for the moment bitter rivals punch it out on stage or spit something like this because they're too drunk to know better.

I don't like someone being cyber-bullied one bit but at the same time I'd hate to watch EVE ruin itself by sticking play pens up all over the place as a result of this.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com

Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#708 - 2012-03-29 02:23:03 UTC
Raiykjab wrote:
You forgot to add "Some" before CSM, would have really sucked if they all objected CCP's decision Blink


Oh alright I forgot that Darius III and Issler are all for this, I forget how important they are for the CSM

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Meno Theaetetus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#709 - 2012-03-29 02:23:13 UTC
The real issue here has little to do with cyber bullying, anyone that genuinely believes that Mittens wanted someone to kill themselves is either socially backwards or are lying to promote their own agenda.

What happened during that alliance panel was Mittens gave the wider press, namely SONY's media people a glimpse into the game SONY are buying into that CCP had rather them not see.

A HUGE part of the eve online that cements it 's niche position and success over the years is the meta game, the back stabbing, the theft, the scamming. If your average jita scammer gave the money back every time some dude said his wife had left them, or that they were feeling suicidal, you would not be able to continue that style of play.

You may say, good! We don't want scammers and thieves, and that's your prerogative. However what can't be denied is that for years eve online has been played by and continues to be played by thousands of people that play the game mainly to do this.

The simple fact remains, in a game like WOW, or any other game, bread and butter scamming like that which goes on everyday in eve would be considered in poor taste, perhaps not cyber bullying, but more than likely something SONY would want to distance themselves from.

It's just unfortunate that Mittens brought this to the attention of people like the SONY media reps, what we have to worry about is just how far CCP is willing to bend, next time SONY come leaning.
stupid monkey
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#710 - 2012-03-29 02:23:30 UTC
Tahna Rouspel
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry.
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#711 - 2012-03-29 02:24:15 UTC
Mittani should get the chance to transfer his votes.
REDBIERD
Space Gear Productions
#712 - 2012-03-29 02:25:09 UTC
Quote:
Alex's words at the alliance panel were regrettable, and it is understandable for CCP to be especially sensitive to possible PR problems with Dust 514 close to release. I, like many others, was troubled by his comments. This firestorm needed to be dealt with, in one way or another.

To his credit, Alex, on his own volition, made a sincere public and private apology, both to EVE players as a whole and to the victim. Additionally, he made restitution to the victim and stepped down from the Chairman position, forfeiting his coveted position as the face of the CSM. Having met Alex several times out of the game, these apologies rang true to me, and his sincerity and candor are admirable.

With these actions, the firestorm was abated, and with a little time, the controversy would have died out, as it should have. We all have made mistakes before, but most realize that it is how we handle those mistakes that is important, and Alex owned up completely to his lapse in judgement. You'll notice that he made no excuses for his inebriation (from alcohol provided by CCP), and did not ask CCP to share the blame (even though the content of his presentation- including the unfortunate slide which prompted this controversy - was vetted by CCP).

This story could have ended with Alex's sincere apology, and would have faded with the next news cycle from the gaming press. Instead, CCP has taken the last, dying embers from this firestorm, and tossed gasoline on them. If they wanted this story to not gain any more traction in the gaming press, banning The Mittani in game for Alex's verbal misteps was exactly the wrong course of action to take. Moreover, while I am sure they acted with the best of intentions, by lumping more punishments on to those that Alex undertook voluntarily, the outcome seems not only excessive, but vindictive.

I am disappointed and saddened by CCP's response to the issue, and I hope that they will take a step back and reconsider the implications and intent of their actions.



Yeah but CCP is a business. Did you really expect them to take Alex's apology and Chairman resignation as "enough" ? This incident -may-or-may not- have faded from the gaming press without further action from CCP, but do you think the several hundred employees of CCP would be happy risking their own livelihood with that gamble ?

No, CCP did the right thing and took the aggressive and affirmative action. In this day and age of videogame controversy, the collective eye of the gaming world is gazing upon CCP, evaluating their actions, and you would be very naive or very optimistic to think otherwise.

Flette
Rosen Association
#713 - 2012-03-29 02:32:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Flette
Meno Theaetetus wrote:
The real issue here has little to do with cyber bullying, anyone that genuinely believes that Mittens wanted someone to kill themselves is either socially backwards or are lying to promote their own agenda.



Just for the record, the issue of cyber-bullying is very much the issue here, and it has nothing to do with what he actually wanted. It has everything to do with how he acted, and the risks involved.

As a side note I will point out a mildly related (though much more serious) issue that recently happened here in the US. Two students were living together in a dorm room, both males. One of the students suspected the other of being gay, and set up a webcam to secretly record his roomate. With damning footage in hand, this person posted the video to the internet, and the other rommate did, in fact, commit suicide as a result. I don't think the roommate who made the video wanted the other person to commit suicide, but that was the result.

Actions matter more than intentions.
Rasz Lin
#714 - 2012-03-29 02:38:32 UTC
Thank you CCP
Minister of Death
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#715 - 2012-03-29 02:38:56 UTC
This was a good decision CCP.
The right thing to do.

I applaud the principle and the action behind it. Well done.



Minister of Death
Amarr Ministry of War
LtTysander
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#716 - 2012-03-29 02:40:36 UTC
stupid monkey wrote:


Burn it all SORCHED EARTH
Isky McBuilder
Fisher-Price
#717 - 2012-03-29 02:42:38 UTC
Yeah all you people bitching that this is no big deal and it is said everyday in various online games are obviously too short sighted to see this from the perspective of CCP as a company.

They are in a PR sense tied to the chairman of CSM. When he is wearing that hat at an official CCP event being broadcast around the world, CCP has no choice but to cover their asses and cut affiliation.

Eve is harsh, but so is reality. You f*&%k up big time, you pay for it.
Valk Enaka
Wohlstandsgesellschaft
#718 - 2012-03-29 02:43:45 UTC
Thank you CCP for throwing out my interest in the game. When you take over 10,000 of the votes for CSM and throw them out, what are you thinking? As many others said, none of this was ingame which means the EULA wouldn't apply. The Mittani publicly apologized, and in my opinion at least, went far beyond what he needed to do.

You had several thousand players interested in taking part in this process, and have told them that their opinions do not matter to you. Way to go CCP. As others have said, if you are going to ignore these votes, why even bother with the election?
Rokujochi
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#719 - 2012-03-29 02:44:20 UTC
I surely hope that CCP in its infinite wisdom has thoroughly thought out the possible repercussions of this extremely poor decision.

I sure hope that being forced to resign from CSM6, forfeit his position on CSM7 and being banned from the game for 30 days doesn't cause poor Mittani to fall into a deep depression and contemplate suicide. He LIVES for playing EvE, leading his alliance and being chair of the CSM, the loss of these combined with his clear history of alcohol abuse have me fearing for his safety.

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Minister of Death
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#720 - 2012-03-29 02:45:53 UTC
Valk Enaka wrote:
Thank you CCP for throwing out my interest in the game. When you take over 10,000 of the votes for CSM and throw them out, what are you thinking? As many others said, none of this was ingame which means the EULA wouldn't apply. The Mittani publicly apologized, and in my opinion at least, went far beyond what he needed to do.

You had several thousand players interested in taking part in this process, and have told them that their opinions do not matter to you. Way to go CCP. As others have said, if you are going to ignore these votes, why even bother with the election?


It is truly odd that you blame CCP for this, and not mittenz.

Who did the wrong thing here? CCP or mittenz? Think about it and drop the hysterics.