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CSM 7 - We Should Not Accept This Behavior!!

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#181 - 2012-03-27 21:49:18 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lets keep a sense of perspective here. Issler Dainze is not the person who has currently dragged the reputation of both the CSM chair and the wider Eve community through the mud in the eyes of the gaming press and ruined what should have been a clean sweep of good coverage following an exceptional fanfest.

She has, however, fanned the flames of a volatile issue for her own perceived political gain. Rather than work with a team and possibly post a dissenting opinion after the fact, or even stress to her team the need for individual opinions, she goes off half-cocked without even discussing the matter with The Mittani himself. The lack of respect she has shown to her fellow CSM members in this thread convinces me she is not at all suitable for the post.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#182 - 2012-03-27 21:49:22 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
Blake Zacary wrote:
I'm not asking anyone to 'just react' to it,what I would like to see is open,honest and clear opinions from individual CSM reps.What I don't think is good for the CSM is closing ranks and keeping things secret till you release a joint blanket statement,which is what appears to be happening !



^^ This.

What happened was a matter of personal degredation and it happaned because of a lack of character by the CSM Chair.

Now what people are wondering is ... are the rest of them like that?

Closing ranks and issuing a joint statement says "yes".


and i would like to propose a much deeper queston, on the assumption that everything in your post is 100% correct


so what?
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#183 - 2012-03-27 21:50:35 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Jade you are generally regarded as the worst CSM chairman and it is generally accepted every idea you had on how to run the CSM was wrong, why do you feel your input is useful here.


Because pretty much everything I advocated on the CSM is already in the game or about to arrive, because under my chairmanship Eve online had excellent press coverage in the gaming press and mainstream media from New York to London and Paris, because I managed to keep my dignity and temper and didn't get righteously drunk on stage at fanfest and embarrass myself and every decent player of this game by coughing out cod-sadistic nonsense and calling on my fellow players to be trolled into suicide.

Plus I had the good grace to give the next guy a go when my term was up rather than trying to cling on to power like some kind of monomaniac limpet-brained bloodsucker with an desperate need to be loved and feared in equal measure.

That about covers it Big smile


having 10,000 votes is not 'clinging to power'
D Derp
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#184 - 2012-03-27 21:54:53 UTC  |  Edited by: D Derp
Jade Constantine wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Jade you are generally regarded as the worst CSM chairman and it is generally accepted every idea you had on how to run the CSM was wrong, why do you feel your input is useful here.


Because pretty much everything I advocated on the CSM is already in the game or about to arrive, because under my chairmanship Eve online had excellent press coverage in the gaming press and mainstream media from New York to London and Paris, because I managed to keep my dignity and temper and didn't get righteously drunk on stage at fanfest and embarrass myself and every decent player of this game by coughing out cod-sadistic nonsense and calling on my fellow players to be trolled into suicide.

Plus I had the good grace to give the next guy a go when my term was up rather than trying to cling on to power like some kind of monomaniac limpet-brained bloodsucker with an desperate need to be loved and feared in equal measure.

That about covers it Big smile



Can you please stop trying to fluff up bad ideas and bad posting by being overly verbose and using terrible metaphors like "monomaniac limpet-brained bloodsucker"? It doesn't impress anyone.


e: I am also seconding the "10,000 votes is not clinging to power" thing. I could accept him clinging to power if he had as many votes as, say, Issler. (Issler barely got in, right?)
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#185 - 2012-03-27 21:55:31 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lets keep a sense of perspective here. Issler Dainze is not the person who has currently dragged the reputation of both the CSM chair and the wider Eve community through the mud in the eyes of the gaming press and ruined what should have been a clean sweep of good coverage following an exceptional fanfest.

She has, however, fanned the flames of a volatile issue for her own perceived political gain. Rather than work with a team and possibly post a dissenting opinion after the fact, or even stress to her team the need for individual opinions, she goes off half-cocked without even discussing the matter with The Mittani himself. The lack of respect she has shown to her fellow CSM members in this thread convinces me she is not at all suitable for the post.


In any rational assessment the Mittani (Alexander Gianturco) is finished as CSM chair. I imagine at this point he's literally holding his head in his hands and talking to his wife about whether he can even afford to continue being associated with the game of eve online after his performance at fanfest. The quite literal professional "suicide" he committed there IS that bad.

As for Issler she looks like being scapegoated at the moment. Understand, I didn't vote for her, I didn't much like her policies. But she is trying to push an agenda of personal responsibility from the current CSM team where we get to see what each of them actually *think* about this crisis rather than disappearing behind a magic curtain and letting the "wizard" tell us how its going to be.

Sure she could probably be handling it better, could have waited to say something, could have done skype from a laptop or something, could be in coms somehow whatever. But I do get the impression she is at least in tune with the understanding a lot of us have about how far off message into the hinterlands of lunacy the current CSM chair has gone.

Other CSM's seem to closing ranks and trying to laugh it off and tell us how it doesn't matter because the mining barge guy didn't actually die - but that is so not the point.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#186 - 2012-03-27 21:56:19 UTC
Sir Marksalot wrote:


and i would like to propose a much deeper queston, on the assumption that everything in your post is 100% correct


so what?


You're right, I guess we'll go back to being indifferent about CSM - after all, what's the point right ?

.
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#187 - 2012-03-27 21:56:20 UTC
much like jade needed to fluff up his avatar for his space brothel to hide his hideous self he needs to fluff up his posting to hide its hideous ideas
michaelthered
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#188 - 2012-03-27 21:56:54 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
michaelthered wrote:

I know the person who the apology was sent to personally.....and no the apology didn't "cut it". lawls

no you don't




actually I do. ANd not just since fanfest happened.....
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#189 - 2012-03-27 21:58:07 UTC
no you really don't and nobody is going to believe you
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#190 - 2012-03-27 21:58:27 UTC
like come on put a little effort into your fakeposting
thatboydc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#191 - 2012-03-27 22:00:28 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR



every time i think that the pubbies on GOONFLEET DOT COM are terrible posters i somehow find one of your posts and jesus christ you make thunderwaffe look like OG SA posters

i mean seriously you are terrible your posts are terrible and you should feel terrible
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#192 - 2012-03-27 22:01:15 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

yes lets all ask the creepy looking aspie who ran a space brothel about normal human behavior this is sure to generate useful information
D Derp
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#193 - 2012-03-27 22:03:43 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lets keep a sense of perspective here. Issler Dainze is not the person who has currently dragged the reputation of both the CSM chair and the wider Eve community through the mud in the eyes of the gaming press and ruined what should have been a clean sweep of good coverage following an exceptional fanfest.

She has, however, fanned the flames of a volatile issue for her own perceived political gain. Rather than work with a team and possibly post a dissenting opinion after the fact, or even stress to her team the need for individual opinions, she goes off half-cocked without even discussing the matter with The Mittani himself. The lack of respect she has shown to her fellow CSM members in this thread convinces me she is not at all suitable for the post.


In any rational assessment the Mittani (Alexander Gianturco) is finished as CSM chair. I imagine at this point he's literally holding his head in his hands and talking to his wife about whether he can even afford to continue being associated with the game of eve online after his performance at fanfest. The quite literal professional "suicide" he committed there IS that bad.

As for Issler she looks like being scapegoated at the moment. Understand, I didn't vote for her, I didn't much like her policies. But she is trying to push an agenda of personal responsibility from the current CSM team where we get to see what each of them actually *think* about this crisis rather than disappearing behind a magic curtain and letting the "wizard" tell us how its going to be.

Sure she could probably be handling it better, could have waited to say something, could have done skype from a laptop or something, could be in coms somehow whatever. But I do get the impression she is at least in tune with the understanding a lot of us have about how far off message into the hinterlands of lunacy the current CSM chair has gone.

Other CSM's seem to closing ranks and trying to laugh it off and tell us how it doesn't matter because the mining barge guy didn't actually die - but that is so not the point.


First, mittens did a stupid goddamn thing. Now that the introduction is over with...

Second, it doesn't really matter because the guy was a typical internet attention whore. They're everywhere.

But more importantly!

Quote:
In any rational assessment the Mittani (Alexander Gianturco) is finished as CSM chair. I imagine at this point he's literally holding his head in his hands and talking to his wife about whether he can even afford to continue being associated with the game of eve online after his performance at fanfest. The quite literal professional "suicide" he committed there IS that bad.


That, that right there. Explain to me how exactly this means mittens has to quit eve? Or the chair? Am I falling for a giant troll?
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#194 - 2012-03-27 22:04:49 UTC
you're falling for a giant troll, it's just from god in the form of jade constatine being an actual human being
D Derp
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#195 - 2012-03-27 22:05:46 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

yes lets all ask the creepy looking aspie who ran a space brothel about normal human behavior this is sure to generate useful information

Retar Aveymone wrote:
you're falling for a giant troll, it's just from god in the form of jade constatine being an actual human being


hahaha he did what?

**** me I fell for the troll
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#196 - 2012-03-27 22:07:07 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
In any rational assessment the Mittani (Alexander Gianturco) is finished as CSM chair. I imagine at this point he's literally holding his head in his hands and talking to his wife about whether he can even afford to continue being associated with the game of eve online after his performance at fanfest. The quite literal professional "suicide" he committed there IS that bad.

I highly doubt that. I think he's probably wondering what sort of idiotic world we live in where someone playing a video game uses real-life suicide as a bargaining device.

Jade Constantine wrote:
As for Issler she looks like being scapegoated at the moment. Understand, I didn't vote for her, I didn't much like her policies. But she is trying to push an agenda of personal responsibility from the current CSM team where we get to see what each of them actually *think* about this crisis rather than disappearing behind a magic curtain and letting the "wizard" tell us how its going to be.

Sure she could probably be handling it better, could have waited to say something, could have done skype from a laptop or something, could be in coms somehow whatever. But I do get the impression she is at least in tune with the understanding a lot of us have about how far off message into the hinterlands of lunacy the current CSM chair has gone.

IMO, Issler is doing more damage to the CSM than The Mittani did with his drunken outburst. The Mittani will probably just fade away. Issler, on the other hand, we seem to be stuck with.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#197 - 2012-03-27 22:07:08 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lets keep a sense of perspective here. Issler Dainze is not the person who has currently dragged the reputation of both the CSM chair and the wider Eve community through the mud in the eyes of the gaming press and ruined what should have been a clean sweep of good coverage following an exceptional fanfest.

She has, however, fanned the flames of a volatile issue for her own perceived political gain. Rather than work with a team and possibly post a dissenting opinion after the fact, or even stress to her team the need for individual opinions, she goes off half-cocked without even discussing the matter with The Mittani himself. The lack of respect she has shown to her fellow CSM members in this thread convinces me she is not at all suitable for the post.



Yeah I can see him literally sitting in the dining room, one hand on his head covering his eyes so no one can see his tears and the other clutching feebly at his wifes hand as she reassures him that there is no way he could lose...

~all of this~
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#198 - 2012-03-27 22:15:19 UTC
D Derp wrote:
Quote:
In any rational assessment the Mittani (Alexander Gianturco) is finished as CSM chair. I imagine at this point he's literally holding his head in his hands and talking to his wife about whether he can even afford to continue being associated with the game of eve online after his performance at fanfest. The quite literal professional "suicide" he committed there IS that bad.


That, that right there. Explain to me how exactly this means mittens has to quit eve? Or the chair? Am I falling for a giant troll?


He might choose to quit eve himself. He might choose to resign from csm chair himself (it is the right thing to do) he might quit csm himself (also perhaps the right thing). But if he doesn't then CCP is going to need to act and they would be immeasurably helped by the remaining CSM actually manning up and realizing that one of them is going to need to be chair in order to return a bit of self-respect to the office after the disaster that was the fanfest alliance panel.

Now perhaps you are a bit insulated from the almost universal disgust at what happened on that panel by virtue of your peers (who admittedly don't seem to realize what was wrong about what happened) but I assure you the wider gaming media is in now such state of confusion and eyes are looking to Iceland to resolve this matter appropriately (or to feast on the scandal if it is not).

Short version the Chair of the CSM broke codes of conduct binding the behaviour of ordinary players. He did something that other player have been permabanned for. For him to remain in place after this would make a mockery of the CSM and CCP's own reputation for even-handed enforcement of rules.

The decent thing for Alexander Gianturco to do at this point is resign, quickly and efficiently and disappear for a time so that the CSM can announce a new chair and CCP can get back to harvesting the remaining benefits of a successful fanfest and exciting program of upcoming game developments.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#199 - 2012-03-27 22:15:50 UTC
ahahahaha you've got to be kidding me
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#200 - 2012-03-27 22:16:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Sir Marksalot wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Jade you are generally regarded as the worst CSM chairman and it is generally accepted every idea you had on how to run the CSM was wrong, why do you feel your input is useful here.


Because pretty much everything I advocated on the CSM is already in the game or about to arrive, because under my chairmanship Eve online had excellent press coverage in the gaming press and mainstream media from New York to London and Paris, because I managed to keep my dignity and temper and didn't get righteously drunk on stage at fanfest and embarrass myself and every decent player of this game by coughing out cod-sadistic nonsense and calling on my fellow players to be trolled into suicide.

Plus I had the good grace to give the next guy a go when my term was up rather than trying to cling on to power like some kind of monomaniac limpet-brained bloodsucker with an desperate need to be loved and feared in equal measure.

That about covers it Big smile


having 10,000 votes is not 'clinging to power'


I wonder how many of those votes are/were alts? Given the not-insignificant percentage of votes from under-30d-old characters and allRoll

That number doesn't mean **** one way or the other without an explicit breakdown of account-vs-RL-player, and of what in-game demographic those accounts represent, and if they are alt-accounts, and for what purpose they are, if they are, among other factors.

Enough with this puerile crap alreadyRollUgh

TL/DR: That number means nothing given the prevalence of alt-accounts in this game. You should find a "meatier" statistic to play with.

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