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My Apology

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Jastra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1221 - 2012-03-27 08:03:26 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
good apology


Props dude
orphenshadow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1222 - 2012-03-27 08:03:28 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
In his hour of need, what would really help mittens would be if his idiot goon supporters laid off the spiteful posts.



What spiteful posts?
David Cedarbridge
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1223 - 2012-03-27 08:03:49 UTC
Acwron wrote:
Andski wrote:
Acwron wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
..................................................



These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS.

BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO.


neither you nor the raiden/ncdot badposters in this thread care about the dude in question, the incident or anything, it's just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf

also you should have watched the fanfest presentation he showed everyone your tears

shame that he didn't name you


Actually people care but you're blinded by the plex mittani is giving you every month for writing so many posts. I do understand you in a way... BUT IS WRONG !

Get mittens out of here on the back door.


Better in than out I always say.

Also, if I were getting free plex, I'd never have to log in again~
Fenris Deka
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1224 - 2012-03-27 08:03:52 UTC
Acwron wrote:
Andski wrote:
Acwron wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
..................................................



These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS.

BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO.


neither you nor the raiden/ncdot badposters in this thread care about the dude in question, the incident or anything, it's just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf

also you should have watched the fanfest presentation he showed everyone your tears

shame that he didn't name you


Actually people care but you're blinded by the plex mittani is giving you every month for writing so many posts. I do understand you in a way... BUT IS WRONG !

Get mittens out of here on the back door.



IF you think this, seriously think this is going on, you are a complete moron.
Selene Theron
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1225 - 2012-03-27 08:04:25 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Spectre80 wrote:
actions speak louder than words. anybody can write apology letter.

I agree, that's why he gave the dude over 10b isk (all the isk in his - the mittani's wallet).

There's not much more he can do to show that he is genuinely apologetic for offending anyone.


If he did that thats commendable. Now let him repair the bad press damage. There is only one logical option imo.
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#1226 - 2012-03-27 08:04:34 UTC
The Mittani

Account hacked c/d
Gossamer DT
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1227 - 2012-03-27 08:04:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Gossamer DT
Amity Lane wrote:
Andski wrote:
(snip)
just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf
(snip)

Interesting how the only mention of Titan nerfs in any of these MittaniGate threads are in accusations such as this.


well it's the only way we can defend such actions. I mean really..or it could be tinfoil hat time, or possible, wait for it, the trurth behind such delayed reactions to the Alliance panel 3 days ago.

hey are you a spy? I am just wondering, becase you seem to be hiding your real main and I can't figure out why.

shameless snip edit...

who is your main, and what does he do?

Zagdul
Virtual Progression
#1228 - 2012-03-27 08:05:02 UTC
Acwron wrote:
Andski wrote:
Acwron wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
..................................................



These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS.

BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO.


neither you nor the raiden/ncdot badposters in this thread care about the dude in question, the incident or anything, it's just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf

also you should have watched the fanfest presentation he showed everyone your tears

shame that he didn't name you


Actually people care but you're blinded by the plex mittani is giving you every month for writing so many posts. I do understand you in a way... BUT IS WRONG !

Get mittens out of here on the back door.


I get no plex for my posting.

I am a bad poster.

I would however, vote for mittens again if only to get more tears like this to quote.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement

David Cedarbridge
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1229 - 2012-03-27 08:06:21 UTC
Selene Theron wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Spectre80 wrote:
actions speak louder than words. anybody can write apology letter.

I agree, that's why he gave the dude over 10b isk (all the isk in his - the mittani's wallet).

There's not much more he can do to show that he is genuinely apologetic for offending anyone.


If he did that thats commendable. Now let him repair the bad press damage. There is only one logical option imo.


I don't think you know half as much about PR as you think you do. Please dazzle us with your credentials.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1230 - 2012-03-27 08:06:47 UTC
Vile rat wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
If he resigns he throws away the votes of over 10,000 subscribers who chose him to represent them to CCP.

He said some dumb ****, he apologized for it, move on. If anything he should apologize for being horribly unfunny and for giving a really lazy presentation EvilEvilEvilEvil

10,000 subscriptions*

Probably closer to 4,000 or less subscribers.


Is there a difference?

Well it strikes me that painting his election as 10,000 individual players voting for your beloved leader is a bit off the mark. Having votes tied to individual accounts creates opportunities to game the system. I'm just wondering what the largest power bloc in the game would do if you could buy votes for 450 million ISK...

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Amity Lane
Lane Family Shell Corp
#1231 - 2012-03-27 08:07:47 UTC
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Amity Lane wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Amity Lane wrote:
Fact #1: The Mittani said he was going to resign.

Fact #2: The Mittani has not resigned.

Still waiting on an explanation here.


You do realize he's just resigning the chair right?

And that he can only do so on the suffrage of the other CSM members?

Interesting how now it's just "resigning the chair", and not his CSM position.

I guess since he wasn't explicit earlier this isn't technically revisionism, but I think to pretty much everyone it was implied that he was going to be resigning his CSM position.

We've been lawyer'd, it seems. Interesting.


No, like so much of what you and you ilk have been braying for this whole thread long (over what is essentially a non-issue blown out of proportion by gaming bloggers, certainly not a new concept if you are at all familiar with the way that gaming blogs work) you have created a vision of what YOU want to happen and then get disappointed when your vision doesn't come about. Yes, you still get to deal with the legally elected CSM Mittani and all of those terrible things that are going to make the game better for the rest of us that he is pushing. Face it, you and the rest of your hillariously misguided false rage club are upset that a second attempt at getting Mittens off the CSM roster is falling through. The election didn't work out for you, and here overblowing a non-event overblown already in some rather poor quality blogs (never was a fan of Massively or their like in the first place and their spotty coverage of this issue doesn't help improve their image with me either) in a ploy to push for resignation isn't going to work either. What's the next plan? Chase him with a team of photographers to catch him playing other games than EVE?


Sorry, I'd missed this one in the forum scroll. Anyway...

TL;DR.

But seriously, it wasn't just me. Even some of your own people thought he was going to be stepping down from his CSM position...to the point where his old lady had to explain otherwise:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3447025&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=279#post401946037

But it seems there's no arguing with any of you. I may be many things, but surprised is not one of them.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#1232 - 2012-03-27 08:07:57 UTC
Like I said roughly the same time last year:

"Give him enough rope...."

And sure enough, someone did.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1233 - 2012-03-27 08:08:57 UTC
Mokanor Lenak wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
As the person who sat with him at the fish restaurant a day before his presentation going over his notes I can field this one a little bit. I mean either take what I'm saying at face value or not, it doesn't matter much, but I'm not really known for making stuff up so here you go.


It wasn't somebody trying to be edgy or even king of space'y, or was somebody trying to be funny and not realizing that what is funny to some could be really insulting to others. The whole alliance presentation was a disaster before it even began because it consisted of unfunny chatlogs being read aloud which wasn't terribly helpful, but you should have seen the thread he posted looking for ideas on our forum which wasn't a whole lot of help either. So he collected what we found funny as a subgroup of eve, tears in chatlogs, and read them to show what kinds of letters he gets in response to our in game activities by people who take the game way too seriously.

The guy who got super mad that we blew up his spaceship did in fact send him a letter full of drama saying he was going to do this or that and frankly Mittens should have forwarded it to CCP and authorities so the guy could have had his account banned and received the proper help if he really needed it. It was a poor choice of logs to read aloud during this event for many reasons, but for many of us the biggest reason is reading chatlogs isn't funny. It's not entertaining. Who the hell wants to hear some dude read a bunch of logs?

I think he should be banned from giving Alliance presentations for those reasons but he's done a fantastic job as a CSM and that should be the end of it.


Its great that he does a good job in CSM and has a good reputation among friends.
But its enough to do one small (or big) bad thing to kill all that reputation and smear his name forever.

For the rest of it, poor choice of letters or chat logs, he should have been more careful, and saying that just for getting some laughts,that is just as sad.
As a CSM chairman and someone who consider himself as a leader and decision maker in the game, he should have known better. Drunk and joking are bad excuses for that.


Oh it was a poor choice. I agree wholeheartedly!


So does Mittens, thus the apology. I believe it was heartfelt and I'm pretty damn sure we won't be seeing him do this again. That aside he's done a good job as CSM and I see no reason why he can't continue in this role. Also those of you saying he should step down as chair are kinda dumbos. The role is a made up role that has no power at all. Might as well say he needs to step down as princess cloudbloom of the fairy kingdom. It hasn't actually meant anything since we stopped doing formal meetings with people voting on things.


Algia Knightstorm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1234 - 2012-03-27 08:08:57 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
In his hour of need, what would really help mittens would be if his idiot goon supporters laid off the spiteful posts.



What hour of need? This is not some bullshit crisis. Mittens didn't **** or murder anyone. No one's lost any life, limb or eyesight, no one's lost any money. A few pubbies got butthurt over something that The Mittani said. They took the words of someone they didn't like and used it to fuel a fire that had no right being stoked in the first place. Mittens apologized for a casual offhand remark, the remark's recipient had no knowledge and give no ***** about it. No harm, no foul, move along, go back to bitching about the Titan nerf and how non consensual PvP doesn't belong in high sec.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
Denarus Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1235 - 2012-03-27 08:09:03 UTC
Darius III wrote:
I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM.



Pretty high and mighty coming from someone who scammed themselves into their position.

PEWPEWPEW

JeanMichel Bizarre
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1236 - 2012-03-27 08:09:20 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Respect for the apology, you seem sincere there Alex. But I think for the good of the CSM project going forwards and for CCP's reputation in the wider gaming press you should resign as Chair at the minimum and allow another CSM member to take responsibility for leading the player council this year.

The CSM needs a leader with the respect of the player base at this point. You no longer have it.

Eve is coming to a far better state it was in the previous year and the future looks very optimistic. The last thing any of us need is to be reading about cyber-bullying and out of character abuse at fanfest when everyone involved with eve on the player or CCP side just needs to put the bad times behind us and get on with promoting and playing this game.

You worked in the interests of the player base last year Alex alongside the Jita and unsub protests to help CCP turn the ship around and sail out from under the spectre of microtransaction-crazy disaster. Let that be your legacy.

Now its time to resign as chair and let somebody else take a turn.



Couldn't have said it better myself.

Dangerzone

DaiTengu
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1237 - 2012-03-27 08:09:45 UTC
Acwron wrote:


Actually people care but you're blinded by the plex mittani is giving you every month for writing so many posts. I do understand you in a way... BUT IS WRONG !

Get mittens out of here on the back door.


He can't give away free plex, he gave all his isk to The Wis

HazardsSoul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1238 - 2012-03-27 08:09:53 UTC
Acwron wrote:
Andski wrote:
Acwron wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
..................................................



These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS.

BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO.


neither you nor the raiden/ncdot badposters in this thread care about the dude in question, the incident or anything, it's just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf

also you should have watched the fanfest presentation he showed everyone your tears

shame that he didn't name you


Actually people care but you're blinded by the plex mittani is giving you every month for writing so many posts. I do understand you in a way... BUT IS WRONG !

Get mittens out of here on the back door.


Insinuating that he gives every goon that posts a plex.. silly pubbie....
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1239 - 2012-03-27 08:09:55 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
If he resigns he throws away the votes of over 10,000 subscribers who chose him to represent them to CCP.

He said some dumb ****, he apologized for it, move on. If anything he should apologize for being horribly unfunny and for giving a really lazy presentation EvilEvilEvilEvil

10,000 subscriptions*

Probably closer to 4,000 or less subscribers.


Is there a difference?

Well it strikes me that painting his election as 10,000 individual players voting for your beloved leader is a bit off the mark. Having votes tied to individual accounts creates opportunities to game the system. I'm just wondering what the largest power bloc in the game would do if you could buy votes for 450 million ISK...



Well it's not like he got on the CSM by telling people he'd buy them plex or scamming them for votes or anything. That was the other guy :)
Selene Theron
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1240 - 2012-03-27 08:10:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Selene Theron
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Selene Theron wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Spectre80 wrote:
actions speak louder than words. anybody can write apology letter.

I agree, that's why he gave the dude over 10b isk (all the isk in his - the mittani's wallet).

There's not much more he can do to show that he is genuinely apologetic for offending anyone.


If he did that thats commendable. Now let him repair the bad press damage. There is only one logical option imo.


I don't think you know half as much about PR as you think you do. Please dazzle us with your credentials.


Excuse me? Please point out to me where i said anything about me being an expert on that sort of stuff?
I just said, he did the damage, now let him be a man and correct his mistakes. Thats all im saying.

I didnt say there was only one option. I say there is only one in my opinion brainiac.