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Prince Kobol
#1261 - 2012-03-27 08:23:38 UTC
Some people are forgetting that this really has gone way past an internet spaceship game now and is actually effecting his real life.

Just google Alex Gianturco and you will see threads about him, with pictures, being associated with Cyber Bullying.

Something tells me that he never set out to have pictures and video of himself on the internet with the a tag line of

"CCP investigates player panel that encouraged cyber-bullying" with his picture next to it or a load of articles about him being drunk and encouraging Cyber Bullying.

This will never go away and all anybody ever has to do is pop his name into google and it will be there.



IsTheOpOver
#1262 - 2012-03-27 08:23:46 UTC
Andski wrote:
IsTheOpOver wrote:
I guess it won't get real until Sony says "**** this ****" and pulls the plug on Dust.


sony cares about PR ahahaha

yummy, yummy paste


More than CCP cares about theirs.
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1263 - 2012-03-27 08:24:06 UTC
Fenris Deka wrote:
People calling him to step down from something that had absolutely no relevance in what was said or the location of where it was said. It was said on an informal panel. If this was said while he was conducting business as CSM chair during a CSM meeting, then yeah he should be stepping down. Ya know what? This wasn't a CSM meeting.

You people calling him to step down are all people who are butt hurt that 10k people wanted him as the csm, and you can't believe that any one person could get so many votes, so you call for his head from a situation that had nothing to do with the csm. Face it, you suck at Eve politik, and can't take it, so you are heart attacking all over the place because of it.

It's actually funny how the society of pubs in this game react like this, it just shows why none of you would even be considered to be in the CFC, and shows that the CFC are way more mature about it than you all are, who you yourselves perceive to be the Virgin Mary who could do no wrong.

Face it, this boils down to petty jealously over a man who has the same ideals about the game as 10k other people do. How petty.


o/ mittens
Algia Knightstorm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1264 - 2012-03-27 08:24:15 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
Oh it was a poor choice. I agree wholeheartedly!


So does Mittens, thus the apology. I believe it was heartfelt and I'm pretty damn sure we won't be seeing him do this again. That aside he's done a good job as CSM and I see no reason why he can't continue in this role. Also those of you saying he should step down as chair are kinda dumbos. The role is a made up role that has no power at all. Might as well say he needs to step down as princess cloudbloom of the fairy kingdom. It hasn't actually meant anything since we stopped doing formal meetings with people voting on things.


So one cancels the other out ehh?


http://i.imgur.com/VEoGd.jpg
orphenshadow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1265 - 2012-03-27 08:25:24 UTC
I do have to agree with Vile that sending someone a mail stating that you are going to kill yourself over a PVP loss should be a bannable offense.

But if they are suicidal over a mining barge. How would they react to being banned?

I think if anything positive can come from this mess it's a serious discussion on how to deal with such a matter.

I personally think that if the game is causing that kind of diress that someone is going to come out with thoughts of suicide. Then it's in the best interest of CCP to suspend the player from the online world and give them information on getting help.
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1266 - 2012-03-27 08:25:39 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
Oh it was a poor choice. I agree wholeheartedly!


So does Mittens, thus the apology. I believe it was heartfelt and I'm pretty damn sure we won't be seeing him do this again. That aside he's done a good job as CSM and I see no reason why he can't continue in this role. Also those of you saying he should step down as chair are kinda dumbos. The role is a made up role that has no power at all. Might as well say he needs to step down as princess cloudbloom of the fairy kingdom. It hasn't actually meant anything since we stopped doing formal meetings with people voting on things.


So one cancels the other out ehh?


Who's saying anything about cancelling out?

I don't know if you're aware but you're posting in the official "Whoops I ****** up, here's my apology" thread. Perhaps you missed the OP? Or maybe you read it and you still want to desperately flail around trying to use this as the issue that finally brings him down? Sorry kiddo.
Zleon Leigh
#1267 - 2012-03-27 08:26:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Zleon Leigh
Altimo wrote:
You know the funny thing about this whole issue was that someone else other than The Wis that posted formal complaints. Unless I missed something, he should have been the one to write letters to CCP and other blogger sites or whatever.

It wasn't him, it was someone else, I have not seen one post from this person and everyone wanting Mittani to resign is talking about this like it directly concerns them.


This isn't about the suicidal player its about the lot of you here just not wanting Mittani to have his position on the CSM period.

Had this person The Wis actually made a case, I might of taken this more seriously. Then again, ever listen to the song outsider by A perfect circle? The near the end of the song it says..

"If you choose to pull the trigger, should your drama prove sincere, Do it somewhere far away from here."

While those aren't my words its definitely how I feel about attention whores. =/



Maybe he was a little intimidated?


This still has nothing to do with him being in the CSM or even the CEO of Goons. Any player who directs pilots to harass another player is subject to TOS. Just because he happened to do it in a world wide forum magnified the level of harassment. The punishment is well known for this. The consequences just happen to be larger because he happens to be in the CSM and happens to lead a large EVE corp.

BTW this is why RL execs do their drinking after hours and off camera, preferably with handlers standing around.

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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#1268 - 2012-03-27 08:27:20 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.

Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.

Christ.

I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.

I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.

If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.


Sorry mate don't believe you, If this hadn't blown up in your face so much and turned into a PR disaster for CCP and yourself, you would not have apologised. Your first reaction was "deal with it", I don't believe you don't remember or watched the video next day.

Your attitude is very much reflected by your followers which as I mentioned before has made this community a shadow of its former self.

Tal

David Cedarbridge
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1269 - 2012-03-27 08:27:34 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

Or, think first then post.



I get it, you're saying that unless somebody agrees with you they must not be thinking right? So what you're really getting at is, "agree with me or don't post."

Sorry. man, one does not support a person doing the right thing (and, much more than I would have done in the same situation) by watching their crucifixion at the hands of ignorant people and people who simply dislike him for reasons entirely apart from this issue. I hate to break it to you, but you don't have the moral high ground on this one.
Fenris Deka
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1270 - 2012-03-27 08:27:54 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Fenris Deka wrote:
People calling him to step down from something that had absolutely no relevance in what was said or the location of where it was said. It was said on an informal panel. If this was said while he was conducting business as CSM chair during a CSM meeting, then yeah he should be stepping down. Ya know what? This wasn't a CSM meeting.

You people calling him to step down are all people who are butt hurt that 10k people wanted him as the csm, and you can't believe that any one person could get so many votes, so you call for his head from a situation that had nothing to do with the csm. Face it, you suck at Eve politik, and can't take it, so you are heart attacking all over the place because of it.

It's actually funny how the society of pubs in this game react like this, it just shows why none of you would even be considered to be in the CFC, and shows that the CFC are way more mature about it than you all are, who you yourselves perceive to be the Virgin Mary who could do no wrong.

Face it, this boils down to petty jealously over a man who has the same ideals about the game as 10k other people do. How petty.


o/ mittens



I am not Mittens, My name is Adam, I live in Ohio.
knobber Jobbler
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1271 - 2012-03-27 08:28:29 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:


Your attitude is very much reflected by your followers which as I mentioned before has made this community a shadow of its former self.

Tal



Get over yourself.
Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1272 - 2012-03-27 08:28:38 UTC
Vile rat wrote:


I don't know if you're aware but you're posting in the official "Whoops I ****** up, here's my apology" thread. Perhaps you missed the OP? Or maybe you read it and you still want to desperately flail around trying to use this as the issue that finally brings him down? Sorry kiddo.



Oh look. :CSM: and a goonswarm member.


Wonder who you will side with Roll
Kenpachi Viktor
Perkone
Caldari State
#1273 - 2012-03-27 08:29:31 UTC
Acwron wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
..................................................



These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS.

BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO.



what he did was also "words"

A war that would’ve involved 20,000 players, 75% of nullsec space, and hundreds of supercapitals was halted not by diplomacy, but by a game mechanic so dreadful that those who have experienced it previously have no desire to do so again. - Fix POS & SOV

Mokanor Lenak
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1274 - 2012-03-27 08:29:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Mokanor Lenak
Vile rat wrote:

Oh it was a poor choice. I agree wholeheartedly!


So does Mittens, thus the apology. I believe it was heartfelt and I'm pretty damn sure we won't be seeing him do this again. That aside he's done a good job as CSM and I see no reason why he can't continue in this role. Also those of you saying he should step down as chair are kinda dumbos. The role is a made up role that has no power at all. Might as well say he needs to step down as princess cloudbloom of the fairy kingdom. It hasn't actually meant anything since we stopped doing formal meetings with people voting on things.



Its nice that he does a great job. Super.

But if it was anyone else, more anonymous, calling even jokingly in an official CCP event or forum to abuse another person up to a point that he should kill himself, telling people "go for it!" and telling people where and how and encoureging, he would have gotten a ban faster than a speeding bullet (or the moment a GM finds out).

Being "the mittens" or on CSM only makes it worse, and it does not give him postive points against what he did.
Even if it was stupid and parially a joke, still being held accountable is a must. Else whole CCP EULA is just a joke at most.
Fenris Deka
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1275 - 2012-03-27 08:30:22 UTC
Haulin Aussie wrote:
Vile rat wrote:


I don't know if you're aware but you're posting in the official "Whoops I ****** up, here's my apology" thread. Perhaps you missed the OP? Or maybe you read it and you still want to desperately flail around trying to use this as the issue that finally brings him down? Sorry kiddo.



Oh look. :CSM: and a goonswarm member.


Wonder who you will side with Roll


Vile Rat isn't like that. I'm sure he was offended and I certainly won't presume to know what he is thinking. Vile Rat is his own man, with his own thoughts. Stop being a moron Haulin.

Algia Knightstorm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1276 - 2012-03-27 08:31:00 UTC
Haulin Aussie wrote:
Vile rat wrote:


I don't know if you're aware but you're posting in the official "Whoops I ****** up, here's my apology" thread. Perhaps you missed the OP? Or maybe you read it and you still want to desperately flail around trying to use this as the issue that finally brings him down? Sorry kiddo.



Oh look. :CSM: and a goonswarm member.


Wonder who you will side with Roll


Oh look, alt corp poster. Wonder what your opinion will be. Blink
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1277 - 2012-03-27 08:31:21 UTC
Haulin Aussie wrote:
Vile rat wrote:


I don't know if you're aware but you're posting in the official "Whoops I ****** up, here's my apology" thread. Perhaps you missed the OP? Or maybe you read it and you still want to desperately flail around trying to use this as the issue that finally brings him down? Sorry kiddo.



Oh look. :CSM: and a goonswarm member.


Wonder who you will side with Roll


The irony of you calling out which group I'm with isn't lost on me. I suppose that's all that matters when it comes to posts?
DaiTengu
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1278 - 2012-03-27 08:31:56 UTC
Mokanor Lenak wrote:
DaiTengu wrote:
Mokanor Lenak wrote:
What people say while drunk is what they really are. No holding back, speaking your mind instantly.


Bullshit. I've said some really dumb things while drunk and had to fess up for them. I'd be willing to bet lots of money that you think bad things about people and don't say them out loud for fear of hurting the person's feelings or other repercussions. Drinking removes that filter

It doesn't make you a terrible person. Everyone thinks these things, not everyone is in front of a crowd of thousands when they're drunk and they say dumb ****.


Mokanor Lenak wrote:
Excuses of role-playing and not remembering, only makes it more sad.

Apology does not make it alright. You deserve a few smacks on the head with a crowbar for the way you acted.
Most likely the villain in-game overtook the "nice person" in real life.


You just contradicted yourself and then suggested basically killing the guy IRL. Bravo!

Quote:
CCP should have just throw the ban hammer to make an example of what not to do, but most likely they are too scared, and so prefer the "apologize so we can get this over with" routine.


I'm going to guess there was very little communication here with CCP during his flight home.


Look, I've hung out with the guy in real life, I'm indirectly responsible for HIS PUPPY (I have the same breed of PUPPY!) and I'm 100% certain this apology is real and from the heart. I hate to break down his internet persona but Mittens is a genuinely nice guy and he just let the internet persona go to his head. I've done this, I bet half of you reading this have done it too.

I really, REALLY hate to quote any work of fiction here, but ... "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"





Being drunk does not make you a bad person, but how you act does. Being the "villain" in-game is a reflection of your own personality which you hide in real life with friends but in fantasy you wish to be. If you enjoy being the villain in a fantasy game, there is a reason for that in your own true self.
Personally I'm playing a decent person in-game, in the same way I'm trying to be out-game.

Also mr. mittens didn't say that in-game, which is why your whole argument falls apart.
He said it on stage, in front of people and youtube, clearly stating "go make this guy kill himself".
Not in-game, not under "the mittens" persona. Him, himself, in real life.


And also: Deserve something and actually telling people to maker person X to kill himself, are two different things.
And its not like he said "kill bad people because they are bad people". He actually said to abuse someone enough to push him over the edge.
See the difference?


Are we having two different conversations here? Because I feel like you're responding to someone else.

Mittani said something REALLY dumb, out loud, in front of thousands of people. His internet persona took over his real life persona for one reason or another. It doesn't matter the reason, it happened. What's done is done. It's happened to me from time to time too, and I'd be willing to bet it's happened to you as well. At least once.

This does not make him a bad person, this does not make me a bad person and it does not make you a bad person either.


Had this happened with a small group of friends no one would have noticed. The failure here is that Mittani was both physically and egotistically drunk at the time and this is a very, VERY dangerous combination. He said A Bad Thing, and 3 days later there was an uproar about it. (Initially the uproar was about the foul language!)


As I said previously, he's a good guy IRL. He made a really bad mistake and now he's making an effort to make up for it. I'm betting you didn't even apologize the last time you called someone a name, or made fun of someone, did you?




Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#1279 - 2012-03-27 08:32:21 UTC
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:


Your attitude is very much reflected by your followers which as I mentioned before has made this community a shadow of its former self.

Tal



Get over yourself.



See Sad
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1280 - 2012-03-27 08:33:28 UTC
Mokanor Lenak wrote:

Its nice that he does a great job. Super.

But if it was anyone else, more anonymous, calling even jokingly in an official CCP event or forum to abuse another person up to a point that he should kill himself, telling people "go for it!" and telling people where and how and encoureging, he would have gotten a ban faster than a speeding bullet (or the moment a GM finds out).

Being "the mittens" or on CSM only makes it worse, and it does not give him postive points against what he did.
Even if it was stupid and parially a joke, still being held accountable is a must. Else whole CCP EULA is just a joke at most.



Did he say he should kill himself or did he mock him for sending him an in game letter threatening to do out of game stuff in retaliation for Goonswarm blowing up his miners?

(it was the latter)