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My Apology

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Killer Gandry
Fenghuang Corporation
#441 - 2012-03-27 02:07:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Killer Gandry
corestwo wrote:
This is smoske all over again, except The Wis is smoske (not dead, obviously) and all you pubbies are BoB, looking for any excuse to get Mittens off the CSM.


Like I said before in this thread.
Actions have consequences. That is the sole thing EVE is based on.
I do see him in the CSM, just not as chair because if he would take chair now the seat would be tainted for much longer a period than him sitting in it.

10,058 votes went to him and even if we wanted to we can't ignore that.

However we also can't ignore what happened and a mere " I am sorry" just doesn't cut it always.

This is one of the situations where a tad more bending over and getting the butt spanked is in order.

We know how much he wanted the CSM chair and I for one can't think of a better punishment then him still serving his term in the CSM but, regardless of the amount of votes, not in the function as Chairman.
If he still makes a landslide victory in the VSM 8 election he could be eligeable again for the chair, but this season his light would shine too tainted to be of real value to the CSM.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#442 - 2012-03-27 02:07:32 UTC
Princess Nana wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


I'd be real worried about playing EVE on any long term basis depending on how this turns out.

I don't think Sony Entertainment would want to advertise connections with Eve Online Community Figureheads who encourage others to harass those with mental difficulties? I think not Sir. Your sarcasm has no place here. The Line was Crossed.



I am not being sarcastic. If you read any of my other posts I am anti - the mittani.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#443 - 2012-03-27 02:08:00 UTC
digi wrote:
BiggerDangDude wrote:
How the **** does any of the CSM not punch Darius III in the mouth anytime he sucks in a breath?


Because alternates don't go to Iceland. Alternates really don't count.

Unless they break NDAs.


I think the only solution is to also fly the alternates to Iceland too!! So we can give him non-stop scowls and make guff huffing noises everything he speaks!!! Lol

Issler
Amity Lane
Lane Family Shell Corp
#444 - 2012-03-27 02:08:13 UTC
Odd how many people are saying "this apology is enough" when without any action showing that the apology is sincere it's meaningless.

He said he'd step down. If he's a man of his word (as he clearly wants us all to believe, based on the original post) he will.

If not...I assume there'll be a whole new uprising of people wanting to crucify him for it.

I must admit...the anticipation of his next move is killing me.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#445 - 2012-03-27 02:08:14 UTC
Aja Jinn wrote:
The Mittani is an online gaming character. I don't care what he
does in the EVE universe.

Alex Gianturco is a representive of The EVE online gaming community.
His face is the one people will see when they assess this community.
He should step down now.



This seems to be where the disconnect is with the supporters. This is about the Person Alex Gianturco. Not the character the Mittani.

There is the game of EvE. Then there is the Game EvE online.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **

Liam Mirren
#446 - 2012-03-27 02:08:40 UTC
If CCP decides to do nothing of note (ie, Mittens stays in the CSM) then they're effectively stating they're ok with real life bullying and ganging up on people who are different or have mental issues. I'm not so sure that's a smart thing to do, especially due to the nature of EVE and how, at the moment at least, RL is separated from ingame stuff like theft and all that.

You can't come up with an excuse for this, Pahineh worded it nicely: it was a premeditated calling for a public lynching of an unstable fellow player, with quite possibly irrevocable results. CCP has to act.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Ai Shun
#447 - 2012-03-27 02:08:48 UTC
Liam Mirren wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
OfBalance wrote:
EnderCapitalG wrote:
STAY CALM


MIND THE GAP


STEER OFF MY BRA!


FLBP


DAR time?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#448 - 2012-03-27 02:08:51 UTC
Calanthe Maulerant wrote:
YOU ARE AND ALWAYS WILL BE SPACE KING OF MY d**k.



FIXED.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

OfBalance
Caldari State
#449 - 2012-03-27 02:08:59 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
digi wrote:
BiggerDangDude wrote:
How the **** does any of the CSM not punch Darius III in the mouth anytime he sucks in a breath?


Because alternates don't go to Iceland. Alternates really don't count.

Unless they break NDAs.


I think the only solution is to also fly the alternates to Iceland too!! So we can give him non-stop scowls and make guff huffing noises everything he speaks!!! Lol

Issler


CCP should ban the alternates to show Mittani they mean business.
Zleon Leigh
#450 - 2012-03-27 02:09:07 UTC
Boy don't you know that Skype channel was on fire all day....

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Devie Viviem
Celestial Horizon Corp.
#451 - 2012-03-27 02:09:16 UTC
This action by you was dispiccable, and inexcusable.

This post is mearly damage control so that you can try to keep your post on the top of the EVE pyramid. It makes no sense to appologize to us, you should be making ammends to the person/ persons you have wronged. The fact that you are posting publicly here is just for your corp mates can post in thier usual spam way.

Game or not, thier should be ethics involved here. You clearly loose yours easily, and blame alcohol as a scape goat. You are NOT the kind of person who should be writing policy, or be a representitive to/ for ANYONE!

To have the knowledge that someone is actualy depressed to the point of killing themselves, and calling for thousands of people to grief that person with the purpose of causing them to actually procede is damn near MURDER.

I'm sure this presentation was made when you were sober, so I dont believe alcohol is a good reason for doing what you did. Another assumption I'm willing to make a jump on, is that you probably already have your alliance carrying out your request.

All of this adds up to you leaving any formal position you have immediatly. After the CCP formal investigation, I hope they find you to be unworthy of the EvE universe.

You have gone over the top to ruin gameplay, and now lives.
Gossamer DT
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#452 - 2012-03-27 02:09:25 UTC
I realise my words will fall short simply because of my chosen path of Corp and Alliance, but here goes

@pilots demanding the resign of The Mittani: wow you guys are just bottom feeders rushing to do what ever you can to squash what you think is killing your game. Reality Check CCP is fixing the game for every one, and if you want to hang this on the CSM then fine do so, but we know what is really causing CCP to wake up and fix EVE



The Mittani wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:

"Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.

Let us know when two and three are done.


One is done, both here and to the miner. Three is done. Two takes a post, and I should probably discuss it with the CSM before I mash butan.

I think Two Step would make a fine Chairman, though.


@The Mittani: You have to do what you feel is right, I have to do my part and say what I feel is right to be said, you stepping down from CSM or even just the chair will change nothing, the haters will cheer and then move on the next whole to hide in until they spreg about something new. Fact is the guy who ganked the ice miner and the ice miner him self also hold the same level of responsibility as you. Fact is, if he was really as desperate as claimed he would have acted long before the Alliance panel. It's the internet, there is no way to prove anything said in a heated eve mail after getting owned, I find the ice miner to be a rather poor sport about his attack because of his clear choice of words to play on some ones emotions. You step down, and you open the door to anyone that wants to claim suicide to gain anything they want in EVE.

who is your main, and what does he do?

Demarcus
Killjoy.
#453 - 2012-03-27 02:09:30 UTC
Calanthe Maulerant wrote:
YOU ARE AND ALWAYS WILL BE SPACE KING OF MY HEART.


I know you love me because you don't make me use lube. No need to make it public.
Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
#454 - 2012-03-27 02:10:15 UTC
Pahineh Amelana wrote:
Let's be straight, and not over look some important facts.

You made the presentation prior to going to the panel. (your intentions at this point were clear)
You spoke @ the panel. (you acted on your intentions prior to the fanfest)
Your members backed what you said for several days here on the forums. (further showing that these intentions were/are shared by a larger group of associates)

Now you apologize. For yourself, for your associates, for who? To save face?




Just goes to show how sincere this apology really is.

Bigger people in the real world have apologized and resigned from real positions of power, for much much smaller things.
That being said, make the sacrifice to make it sincere. Integrity.

If you had not made it a part of your actual presentation, it could be ran off as a mistake, mis-speaking.
If your fellow members didn't stand behind what you said, and pander all over the EVE-O forums like monkeys, it could have again, been ran off as a mistake.


The fact is you made this an actual part of your presentation, then followed through with presenting it, as humor.
Then your members, friends, associates, supporters ran all over the EVE-O forums stating their support of your words, for this or that reason, further creating even more problems, divides and ultimately much deeper issues within the eve community.



Apologizing for bumping into someone. acceptable
Apologizing for spilling some water on someone on accident. acceptable
Apologizing for accidentally hurting someone. acceptable

Apologizing for deliberately trying to cause harm to someone utilizing a video game as your execution platform. Unacceptable.
Apologizing for egging others on to cause harm to another via a video game. Unacceptable.

It's called cyber bullying, and like it or not, it's not funny. Even if it's meant in jest.
Your words and actions do not just effect the individual you were targeting but an entire community of players. Cause & Effect.

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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#455 - 2012-03-27 02:10:50 UTC
Amity Lane wrote:

I must admit...the anticipation of his next move is killing me.

Promise?

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fofofo

Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#456 - 2012-03-27 02:11:40 UTC
I'm pretty sure that cyber bullying is considered a felony now in extreme cases. Certainly seen some news coverage recently on it.

People talking about bans and resignations when this is far from the 'worse case scenario'.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#457 - 2012-03-27 02:11:54 UTC
Lorren Canada wrote:
hah GoonWaffe recruitment is going to explode



.......and vanish in the smoke.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#458 - 2012-03-27 02:12:09 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Drinking and driving is an act that in itself is a crime. If no accident occurs and no one is harmed, it is still a crime.


It's a crime because of it's potential to harm people. Is my point. The fact that everyone who drinks and drives doesn't get in an accident makes no difference.


Which was exactly what I said (thanks for the selective quoting by the way). Drinking and Driving is a crime regardless of whether anyone is harmed or not.

Cyber Bullying does not fall into this category. It requires an actual victim to be a crime. According to The Wis he was NOT a victim of cyber bullying.

No crime occurred.

Instead he finds it amusing, not to mention profitable.

You have no point.

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Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#459 - 2012-03-27 02:12:13 UTC
I think his apology is in earnest.

I also think he should resign as chairman, because it's the right thing to do.

He should also probably be officially repremanded by CCP, as a form of PR damage control.


My 2 cents.
Rob Daphiti
Doomheim
#460 - 2012-03-27 02:12:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Rob Daphiti
Why is everyone freaking this its what happens in the game over and over and nothing is done and hell its encouraged. Hell you have all seen it on the forums as well maybe not the exact way but its here. If someone comes on forums and says something you all attack them also. You should have had your macs aligned ha hah your an idiot can i haz your stuff. U mad bro and many other comments a 10 yo could come up with this is the typical eve players.

Look at what they allow to happen and only because its in the spotlight anything is done about it. You even see it on the forums here about griefing a guy till he quits and they think putting someone through hell is funny. Hes a miner he should just quit anyway blah blah grief them all. This guy is a freaking idiot look at his fit blah blah kill his moron!! hahahhahah.

This is nothing new CCP should come out and say yup this is the type of game we want eve to be or they should start cracking down on it in game and on the forums. You don't have to grief to have fun in eve but that is what everyone loves to do and they say they will quit if i can't grief people and act exactly like MIT acted like. You can go to war and not be a **** and have fun mature time fighting over sov and whatever you want to do. Quit trying to cover up what you all cherish doing, its what eve is known for. This is eve can i have you stuff since you butt hurt. Flame away and attack me for the true i just spoke its what you guys do best.