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So did the suicide ganking insurance nerf actually do anything
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evereplicant
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-04-23 15:01:29 UTC
Judging by the cheap high alpha T3 BC constant ganks, and the 5 thrashers can kill a hulk i am thinking not
CCP why do you keep doing this, remove something then add something that completely negates the nerf in the first place.

if you have 300mill in T3 BC loses, compared to a few billion ship kill, its really a no brainer..

couple of solutions
1) give freighters type ships more EHP and add slots for tank
2) remove cargo scanners - its a suicide gankers dream
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#2 - 2012-04-23 15:05:24 UTC
No need to remove cargo scanners. Just add them to the list of GCC actions.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-04-23 15:06:38 UTC
need to say: there is no problem to solve. Freighter pilot has number of options to defend himself.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#4 - 2012-04-23 15:07:23 UTC
Suicide ganking is not a bad thing. I don't know why people can't tell the difference between gameplay in a video game and real world crime.
Lanasak
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-04-23 15:07:46 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
CCP why do you keep doing this, remove something then add something that completely negates the nerf in the first place.


it's called balance
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-04-23 15:08:27 UTC
Its amazing how tailormade the Tornado is for suicide ganking

:3

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#7 - 2012-04-23 15:09:11 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Suicide ganking is not a bad thing. I don't know why people can't tell the difference between gameplay in a video game and real world crime.


I don't see anyone mentioning 'real workd crime'. Talking about ingame mechanics here. You?
evereplicant
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-04-23 15:09:38 UTC
Skydell wrote:
No need to remove cargo scanners. Just add them to the list of GCC actions.


fair enough
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-04-23 15:11:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
March rabbit wrote:
need to say: there is no problem to solve. Freighter pilot has number of options to defend himself.



Nano's also had a counter... other nano's. Remember?




But since people did not counter Nano's with other nano's, bitched moaned and complained endlessly, they were nerfed instead. So as people keep on complaining about suicide ganking (and if CCP continues their old pattern) suicide ganking will eventually be "adjusted" somehow whether or not you people think that it is a problem or not. Personally for 4B isk, I wouldn't mind higher resists on an Anshar making being rep a bit more viable vs modest size gangs (for low sec/null sec)

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-04-23 15:12:45 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Suicide ganking is not a bad thing. I don't know why people can't tell the difference between gameplay in a video game and real world crime.

difference is simple: in game you have no consequences.... In RL you have.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#11 - 2012-04-23 15:15:16 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
Judging by the cheap high alpha T3 BC constant ganks, and the 5 thrashers can kill a hulk i am thinking not
CCP why do you keep doing this, remove something then add something that completely negates the nerf in the first place.

if you have 300mill in T3 BC loses, compared to a few billion ship kill, its really a no brainer..

couple of solutions
1) give freighters type ships more EHP and add slots for tank
2) remove cargo scanners - its a suicide gankers dream



1) don't carry more than ~2 bil ISK of unshielded cargo (not double-wrapped) in your freighter.

It's really a no brainer...

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Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-04-23 15:20:47 UTC
Actually it did. But it did not discourage those who truly love it and love doing it.

The goal was not to stop it, but not to reward it. Technically before it was almost a win/win aside from the lost money on mods/guns.

Now if you fail you lose everything... Well mostly.
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#13 - 2012-04-23 15:28:09 UTC
1) More EHP will just yield more gank ships

2) Use cargo containers and courier contract them.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-04-23 15:28:33 UTC
It was never about getting rid of ganking.

It was about fixing a mechanic that clearly was overpowered and needed to be fixed.

Like my personal all time favorite gank method, I even laughed when I heard about it.
When black ops first came out , gankers would gank someone then jump to low-sec to keep themselves from being Concorded.
Even though it will always be a classic and very cool move in my mind, hats off to the people that thought of it and used it.
CCP had every right change the mechanic.



EVERYBODY KNOWS
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2012-04-23 15:33:54 UTC
Gankers did say that it would change nothing and that it was a silly thing to have anyway.
Buck Futz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-04-23 15:36:36 UTC
The insurance nerf?

It forced Suicide Gankers to HTFU.
It forced Suicide Gankers to Adapt.
Lately, CCP's heavy-handed nerfing behavior forces us to keep our ganking innovations secret....
but we put the time and energy into developing our tactics and reap the benefits: gallons of miner blood and tears.

Don't fear, miner-bear. CCP Devs are doing their best to protect miners from themselves.
Luckily, for us - they are incompetent.
Lord Dravius
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-04-23 16:30:46 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
need to say: there is no problem to solve. Freighter pilot has number of options to defend himself.



Nano's also had a counter... other nano's. Remember?

'More of the same' is not a counter.
Copine Callmeknau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-04-23 16:32:24 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
the 5 thrashers can kill a hulk

You're doing it wrong

Also you're a fuckin idiot, PvP is working as intended

There should be a rather awesome pic here
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2012-04-23 16:38:29 UTC
there was no suicide ganking nerf fyi they merely removed insurance

but even ccp glories in your suffering and whining
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#20 - 2012-04-23 16:42:26 UTC
- Separate gate guns from Concord, triple or quadruple security hit when Concord has to put down their donuts to sort out unruly elements.
- Give sec. gain to low-sec a huge bump, remove it in null (no "law") and decimate it in high-sec.

There, sorted suicide ganking once and for all. Still perfectly viable but with risk and cost equal to the deed.
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