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Drone Subsystems - is it me or do they suck?
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Hesidak Uroboroon
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-04-22 22:09:51 UTC
I have been looking into a T3 that uses drones as a primary weapon, but it has come to my attention that the drone synthesis projector for the legion and proteus are not very well designed,.

The Legion drone sub has an inferior drone hp bonus to many other ships, and it only has 3 turret hardpoints but 5 highslots. But the big issue is that is sacrifices a low slot for a mid ... on an armor tanking ship!

Then there's the sub for the proteus. it only has 74 mbit bw, and even if you get the 25 mbit with the augmented cap reservoir (which actually has nothing to do with capacitor unlike all other t3s) its still not enough bandwidth for a full wing of sentries or heavys. And of course it only allows 3 turrets hardpoints (4 if you use power core multiplier, but then you have 75 mbit.) and, of course, the bonuses are inferior in drone hp.

Please, enlighten me if it's even possible to have a good, drone focused t3, and show some fits ... if it's possible

The U.S. Navy has developed a railgun that can hit a target the size of a watermelon from about 200km away.  its probably around 8,000 years in the future, we can go faster then light, be immortal, teleport capital ships, communicate instantly, mine asteroids and make ships invisible,yet still our railguns can't even hit a massive spaceship over 100km....
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-04-22 22:15:58 UTC
What exactly are you looking for? Are you looking for a drone T3 on par with the Ishtar? It doesn't exist. But there are many drone fits for T3s which do what they're designed to very well. It all depends on what you intend to do with the fit.
Hesidak Uroboroon
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-04-22 22:18:40 UTC
mxzf wrote:
What exactly are you looking for? Are you looking for a drone T3 on par with the Ishtar? It doesn't exist. But there are many drone fits for T3s which do what they're designed to very well. It all depends on what you intend to do with the fit.


I know that no mere t3 can match the god of drones. I plan on using it for ded plexes, anoms and ratting

The U.S. Navy has developed a railgun that can hit a target the size of a watermelon from about 200km away.  its probably around 8,000 years in the future, we can go faster then light, be immortal, teleport capital ships, communicate instantly, mine asteroids and make ships invisible,yet still our railguns can't even hit a massive spaceship over 100km....
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#4 - 2012-04-22 22:45:00 UTC
Forget the Legion.

After playing with the options on a Proteus, I think you're probably better off using heavies than sentries, which pains me. The only consolation is that it can actually make use of blasters and a MWD. But if you're looking to make it into a super Ishtar, it doesn't work. At all.
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#5 - 2012-04-22 22:48:34 UTC
I don't know about Legion but drone Proteus is one mean SOB. It's designed to be like mini-megathron. Ogres + blasters. You can easily achieve 700dps against battleships + great tank ( or speed & agility ) and it has no problems with killing smaller stuff also.
If you want to be safe then the best way to use it is to stay in safe range and let your drones reduce some of the incoming dps ( killing BC's, dessies and elite frigs ) and then move in and smash the battleships with blasters and ogres.
It can withstand a lot of punishment so I prefer to just charge at the red crosses and get on with itTwisted.

Works like a charm and is way more fun than Tengu or Sentar. Tested in all of serpentis/guristas lowsec plexes.

Just add Omni + navcom to mid's and your drones will have no problems hitting anything and they will be nearly twice as fast ( Proteus gets drone speed bonus ). Instead of omni you can always use a web if you like.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-04-23 00:30:15 UTC
Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:
I don't know about Legion but drone Proteus is one mean SOB. It's designed to be like mini-megathron. Ogres + blasters. You can easily achieve 700dps against battleships + great tank ( or speed & agility ) and it has no problems with killing smaller stuff also.
If you want to be safe then the best way to use it is to stay in safe range and let your drones reduce some of the incoming dps ( killing BC's, dessies and elite frigs ) and then move in and smash the battleships with blasters and ogres.
It can withstand a lot of punishment so I prefer to just charge at the red crosses and get on with itTwisted.

Works like a charm and is way more fun than Tengu or Sentar. Tested in all of serpentis/guristas lowsec plexes.

Just add Omni + navcom to mid's and your drones will have no problems hitting anything and they will be nearly twice as fast ( Proteus gets drone speed bonus ). Instead of omni you can always use a web if you like.


I'd love to see your fit. I have been playing around with a drone heavy proteus fit, but i can't decide the best way to get it configured.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-04-23 02:19:54 UTC
the drone sub on the proteus is actually decent and people do use it.
the legion just sucks in general but the drone sub can be used on a 7 neut legion which is nice.

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Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-04-23 02:39:44 UTC
The most you can get with the proteus is 4 heavies, and thats with using both drone subs. And because of that you're giving up a lot. So yeah you can have a cruiser with a small fleet of heavies but it wont have much tank, gank, or tackle, or anything, really. Just get an Ishtar.

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Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#9 - 2012-04-23 07:38:22 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:

I'd love to see your fit. I have been playing around with a drone heavy proteus fit, but i can't decide the best way to get it configured.


This is one of mine

[Proteus, Rogue Two]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener
Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive
Drone Navigation Computer II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Drone Link Augmentor II
Improved Cloaking Device II
Expanded Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors


Hornet EC-300 x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Ogre II x4
Hammerhead II x5

I don't like sticking to one specific fit so I make small changes all the time. I prefer to omni tank but you can always switch to rat-specific hardners. You can loose the 1600 plate and switch it for another repper + Nanobot injector like this :

[Proteus, Rogue Three]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive
Drone Navigation Computer II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Drone Link Augmentor II
Improved Cloaking Device II
Expanded Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors


Hornet EC-300 x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Ogre II x4
Hammerhead II x5

If you don't want to use faction magstabs and deadspace enams just loose the DLA to free some CPU and switch them to T2. Using deadspace reppers and mwd is a must ( c-types are cheap and sufficient ).

This fit is great for nullsec magnetometric sites. I just started using is yesterday in Syndicate and it works great. I suppose that it will be effective in guristas space also.

[Proteus, Rogue One]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive
Analyzer I
Analyzer I

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Salvager I
Salvager I
Expanded Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Proteus Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier


Hobgoblin II x10
Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5


Alexa Coates wrote:
The most you can get with the proteus is 4 heavies, and thats with using both drone subs. And because of that you're giving up a lot. So yeah you can have a cruiser with a small fleet of heavies but it wont have much tank, gank, or tackle, or anything, really. Just get an Ishtar.


You haven't actually flown this ship haven't you.Roll