Crime & Punishment

Hey folks, just a quick question about the origins of this popular "trend" of sorts


Where did this originate from? Did it begin with killing mining bots and eventually spiraled down to killing any and all (if the opportunity arose) miners in high sec

Also, why is this done? for amusement? From what I understand of EVE, don't miners make mineral prices go down? Which then leads to more PVP because we all can get ships

Thanks for the replies.

I just find it hard to believe thats the only real answer to all of this..

I don't know, I want to get into PVP in EVE.. but killing those that make it possible for me to afford ships just seems extremely illogical and game breaking..

I mean, by all means kill the bots.. but active players that like mining?

More replies would be great, maybe from actual gankers? I really want to understand why this is done.

They'll give you lots of reasons, but if you read between the lines the answer is:

Cyber bullies who have found a safe haven because this sort of thing is tolerated in EVE Online.

Just do a quick forum search and soak in all the tears that flow every time their safe cyberbully haven is threatened by a change to game mechanics. Herr Wiklus is one of the more prolific sources of precipitation.

Thanks, I'll look into that Jacob.

To be honest, this supply hypothesis you keep talking about is sort of implausible. Sure, the collective effects of individual ganks change market conditions but the effect is going to be weak unless it was done on a large scale. The Ice Interdiction is one such example or a large scale operation affecting market conditions drastically. The way you make it sound is that every miner has dropped dead or something. Also, you seem to overlook the possibility that organizations who conduct such large scale operations might be doing so purposefully. Not necessarily for money, both in terms of loot and cashing in on the increase in prices, but to keep their members engaged and playing the game.

The only miners I care to shoot happen to be miners in wormholes.

Other than that, eh.

Yet its plausible as much as it is implausible if this is a sandbox. Collectively its done to a great extent by random corporations and individuals from what I can see. My fear as a new player is those that get all of these minerals will become discouraged and fearful to do their operations because of these nonsensical attacks on them. I know the market is going crazy due to bots being banned and "drones"? from some place in null is being nerfed.. but what happens if this "trend" continues and heightens?

Who is going to bring the prices back down for minerals and ultimately ships? I guess we could say null sec, but then again thats a hit and miss if I understand the thought process of null sec correctly.

Now things like hulkageddon (which I think you mentioned without mentioning it), an event I believe your alliance hosts? I don't have an issue with something like that.. I think that's a healthy event in a game where things like that can and should be exercised.

BUT, like I said.. whats too far? When is ganking miners too much? I think hulkageddon is not an exploitation.. but when it's being done by more and more pvpers, extensively, for no real reason other then to get amusement.. it makes me believe that is it being exploited.. and in turn that hurts everyone through market conditions.

From my very brief experience in pvp, it's very clear that combat in this game is 20% actual ship to ship combat.. and 80% physiological warfare. I think that translates perfectly to those that have no intention to fight, if they see the threat from miles away.. they will illogically become stagnate.. which will then hurt us.. the players that actually like to fight.

Thank you for explaining that to me Vaal

I must say though.. I've been playing less then a month now and I beg to differ that 95% are afk miners. I've met quite a few that are very much alive and active playing EVE. They just play it differently.. but with that, I don't denounce that many are afk or bots, I've seen those too. Still, do we kill any we find all because a group of players do afk mine or bot? I think from that perspective.. CCP is dealing with that group (botters) of people quite well (look at our market condition)

As for mineral prices rising, I know that suiciding miners has nothing to do with current market chaos. But my concern is, what happens when all that isk that has been gained is used up and the assets people have acquired has been destroyed? Longevity in doing what we love in this game (fighting/combat/pirating/what have you) is lost unless we take up the banner to mine and trust me.. I'm sure many pvp pilots would say a piece of their soul would be lost if they ever were caught in a mining ship. I mean.. from what your saying above.. it's a matter of.. "I'm going to blow up everything I can until I can't..". What happens after that? You unsubscribe because next to no one wants to do the horrible and extremely patient exercising task of mining?

Lastly, sure this is a video game.. sure some people take this video game WAY too seriously.. but with that.. we do have real life mechanics that play really important roles in this video game.. the economic aspects of this game is a prime example. If we must bring up a real life example, look at the whole "oil" predicament. It's chaos and this video game will have even more of that if we lose this group of players that play this boring yet major role in EVE

EVE is (or atleast should be) a sandbox ... but in this sandbox it seems that rules benefits the douchebags more then anyone else.

And you know things work on the internet .... irl frustrated people dropped in an enviroment that puts them outside physical confrontation danger, tend to turn into ganking little dickheads that run rampant across the game killing people for "maximum tears".


It would be a very intresting thing to study ... and I fear the results wouldnt be very flattering for us gamers.

just google "John Gabriel greater internet theory"
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