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New PC for triple-boxing ?

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Skex Relbore
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2011-09-14 06:28:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Skex Relbore
Triggadex wrote:
Foofad wrote:
PSU and CPU are overkill, and read what people said about the video card. I run 3 clients on an i5 2500k and nVidia 460gtx easily. And with that, my power draw at the outlet is about 250w at peak, and it idles at 180w (tested over several weeks with a Killawatt). People always overbuy their PSUs - for any and every single video card setup, 500w is more than enough. For SLI, it's still enough, but you can get another 100 watts just to be safe. You will not have stability issues.


I have no idea where you are getting your figures from.

Ref: http://www.geeks3d.com/20110131/the-truth-about-graphics-cards-power-consumption-requirements/

Depending on how old your card is i suppose.


Well to be fair a 460 is not a particularly power hungry card in fact if you look at the high res version of your chart that I linked the power draw on a gtx460 is right around the 250w he's claiming (actually it's a bit lower but there are other things in the system that draw power Cool )

I do agree that calls to get a 1000w PSU are probably overkill as pretty damned near every existing video card will run perfectly fine on a 650w PSU save for more extreme SLI and Crossfire setups. I only see 3 configurations that would be pulling enough power to require something bigger than a 850w PSU and those all have at least 3 video cards. In fact I'd say unless you were running a 3X or 4X GTX480 or a X4 GTX580 there really isn't much point in anything bigger than an 850w and odds are a 650w or 750w would serve just fine if you want to go economical.

My personal advice is shoot for quality over raw wattage, a good power supply will set you back at least $100 bucks and more like $150-200 for something that will give you a little overhead for future expansion. The quality differences between a good well build PSU with quality components and the cheap budget crap is huge, and a poor quality power supply can cause all sorts of hard to track down errors and failures. It's just a good idea to buy a good high quality model.

As I said in my original reply something you can't really go wrong with something from Seasonic, Corsair, XFX or NZXT these are the 4 I researched recently and all three brands are first rate (went with the NZXT because I couldn't find a XFX or Seasonic locally and I was too impatient to wait for one to ship), if you go with something else just be sure to do a little research to see if they are any good, find some reviews from someone like Jonnyguru who has proper testing equipment and really stress tests them before buying.
Brit Green
Hagkaup
#22 - 2011-09-14 08:04:52 UTC
I can currently have five clients open with the characters all admiring themselves in their respective mirrors at full 60 FPS and max graphics settings on a system only a slight step up from what you are looking at.

Intel 2600k
Gigabyte P67A-UD7-B3
Gamedrive is a OCZ Vertex SSD
16 GB Corsair XMS 2000 mhz for ram
EVGA Classified SE GTX 590 for graphics

The system you are looking at should be fine for running three instances.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#23 - 2011-09-14 08:12:10 UTC
I run a Phenom II x4 965 BE on an ASUS M4A89GTD/USB3 Pro MoBo with 4GB of DDR3 RAM and an ATI Radeon HD4890 eGPU. CQ runs at 54.5fps. FiS is pegged at 120fps. All settings/options max/on and brackets on. The only time I ever get slowdown or lag is due to server lag or massive fleet battles (400+) with brackets on. Then I start turning stuff down.

With any half decent rig, you should be able to dual or triple box without worry. In my case, any more than that and I will need more RAM before anything else. Also, I noted since eve s single thread, onyl 1 core is showing useage and that is at about 40%. So plenty of processing power.

The only worry you might have is GPU or CPU temp. I noted my CPU fan spools up to about 50% while running CQ on max settings. Invest in a good CPU fan.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#24 - 2011-09-14 09:42:31 UTC
My choices for the PC are governed by the required task it will perform - old news but still important to keep in mind.
So first is Eve - graphics/monitor focused and where the money should be allocated. Secondary focus is CPU/RAM. Third, HD. PSU is important and my thoughts are that this item might see a couple of changes so I buy quality with thought to the future.
Absolutely agree with Chribba - get two high quality BIG monitors, I have 2x28" top of the range and the visual experience makes me smile.
To retain speed of OS, I have a boot up disk(SSD) and separate data disk(platter)

Lastly - always know that the future holds better/faster/smaller/power efficient devices. It is best to be happy with your purchase and not crave the next best thing 3months down the line.

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking

Presidente Gallente
Best Kept Dunked
Wreckflix and chill
#25 - 2011-09-14 10:11:07 UTC
Running two accounts here at 1920x1200 and 1920x1080 in Fixed Window mode at max settings on my M17x. The M17x has two GTX 280M. But I am just using one for EVE because in SLI and EVE window mode it will cause DPC Latency. The result ingame is a shield/cap bug and you get usually stucked at a gate with an endless session timer after beeing afk for a while.

But one card is working perfect here. 60 FPS on both clients with AA.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-09-14 13:30:49 UTC
X Kent wrote:
Thank you all for your advices !

About the PSU, I will for sure order something more powerful as I don't want to face any stability issues or something.

I only included the SSD because it will be used to run EVE, I will have another 2gb (normal disk) for the rest of the stuff.

I need the i7 for my mathlab stuff too.

Thanks again everyone !




use the ssd drive to install your os on.......... the reason u install your os on the ssd is because the read/writes speeds are way better than conventional disc drives.... this makes win 7 run much much better.

installing eve on your 2tb drive is fine as it will run great anyways off the 2tb drive.... but where you will really see the benefit of having your os on the ssd drive is when you use mathlabs. the os will handle the math calculations much quicker.

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.

Skex Relbore
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2011-09-14 16:08:28 UTC
Presidente Gallente wrote:
Running two accounts here at 1920x1200 and 1920x1080 in Fixed Window mode at max settings on my M17x. The M17x has two GTX 280M. But I am just using one for EVE because in SLI and EVE window mode it will cause DPC Latency. The result ingame is a shield/cap bug and you get usually stucked at a gate with an endless session timer after beeing afk for a while.

But one card is working perfect here. 60 FPS on both clients with AA.


Have you considered taking them out of SLA mode and just running one monitor off each? That's the setup I have,

My system is kind of a frankenbox since as a parent my budget for PC stuff is never large enough to upgrade every component at the same time and I'm usually limited to a couple hundred bucks for any given upgrade.

Long story short I'd ended up with a motherboard that could support up to 4 PCIe 8x cards (or 2 16x) and an 8800GT that was just sitting in a box gathering dust. So a little research and a PSU upgrade, I had one of those crap PSUs X-connect2 and this gave me an excuse to rectify that problem Twisted. So I stuck that 8800 in one of my extra PCIe slots and set it up to run my secondary monitor.

My current setup is a 28inch lcd being run by my ENGTX460TOP (factory OC card I picked up on clearance from Fry's) and a secondary 24inch lcd being run by that 8800GT. I run my main account on my 28inch on high settings at 1920X1200 with the CQ off and 4 accounts (my little semi-afk Ice mining OP) on my secondary monitor at 1920x1080 with lower quality settings. Both use fixed window mode, two EVE installs one for each monitor.

This setup runs fine though I found the CQ still degrades performance to unacceptable levels which kind of dashed my hope that the setup would allow me to run the CQ on my main account.

For what it's worth here are my specs

28 inch I-Inc monitor Absolutely love this thing price was amazing for what you get
ViewSonic VG2428wm - 24" Was a black Tuesday special while I waited for the I-Inc when both my CRTs crapped out on Thanksgiving night 2 years ago.
Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD5
Corsair Vengeance 8 GB : 2 x 4 GB DDR3
AMD Phenom II 1075t X6 3 GHz
ASUS ENGTX460 768 DDR5
eVGA e-GeForce 8800 GT 512 DDR3
Antec P180 Tower
NZXT Hale90 850W
Corsair H50 closed loop liquid CPU cooler
Don't even recall what hard drives I have in it a couple Maxtor 500gb I think next big upgrade will be some sort of SSD.
Some DVD burner.

Like I said a Frankenbox but it does run 5 instances of EVE 3

Foofad
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2011-09-15 04:00:42 UTC
Triggadex wrote:
Foofad wrote:
PSU and CPU are overkill, and read what people said about the video card. I run 3 clients on an i5 2500k and nVidia 460gtx easily. And with that, my power draw at the outlet is about 250w at peak, and it idles at 180w (tested over several weeks with a Killawatt). People always overbuy their PSUs - for any and every single video card setup, 500w is more than enough. For SLI, it's still enough, but you can get another 100 watts just to be safe. You will not have stability issues.


I have no idea where you are getting your figures from.

Ref: http://www.geeks3d.com/20110131/the-truth-about-graphics-cards-power-consumption-requirements/

Depending on how old your card is i suppose.


The only cards that break what I said are high end multi-card setups. I.e. pairs of 580s and higher. No single card setup does. So... Pretty sure what I said holds, except for fringe cases (which in this case I would define as 'paying more than 800 dollars just on video cards')
Tyrnaeg en Varche
#29 - 2011-09-18 06:04:27 UTC
Just wanted to say that installing eve on a SSD made my load time much faster - it takes now less than 25secs.

I took about 2mins before, on a regular HDD.
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