Skill Discussions

This seems like too big of a free gift to be true, but on the other hand I can fly three races' Command Ships currently. I'd be more than mildly annoyed if I couldn't fly at least 2 of those 3 after. (and yes I also have Command Ships V also)

how is it too big of a free gift?

all they're doing is making your clone more expensive.

reason is (you are right here): command ships. BC V is requirement. So if you train some additional skills and get access to all racial command ships you can't loose any of future racial BC V skills.
[fixed] just checked skill requirements. Yea. If Command Ships will be splitted too, then it will be possible to not give "all racial V" for BCs. However it will give loss to anyone:
- now if you have BC5 you need to get cruiser V to get access to racial command ship
- after you will need to get racial BC5 + racial cruiser to get to the same level

One more reason to be prepared
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the same is for destroyers. Interdictors make it so you will HAVE TO HAVE keep Destroyer V.

I looked at it from a 'backwards' sort of view.

You could have all Cruiser V's and BC IV would have you 21 days away from all Command ships.
After the 'update' you would need 4 times that amount, or 84 days for all Command ships

I didn't need any more research after I saw this one fact.

As cool as it is to get closer the the 100 million skillpoint club, this is still (getting extra SP so I can still fly what I always could) kind of a nerf just ever so slightly in regards to the fact that more skillpoints require a more expensive spawn clone, but its not really that big of a deal or worth making a huge fuss over, and much better then loosing multiship skills we have built up, in any case this is not the buff I heard some people deduce that it was.

If you read carefully, you can find the following paragraph in this devblog from June 14:



The changes are coming definately, two questions remain: when exactly (2013?) and how are they going to be implemented - which was discussed here quite thouroughly before.

I would be willing to bet money that they are not going to just grant bonus SP to everyone. I think it will probably work more like what happened when they removed learning skills. For example, rather than removing BC/Dest And replacing it with 4factional variants and giving you the SP for all factions, they will instead return your SP and let you use it to train any other skills you wish. That way if you want level V again you can just drop the returned SP into whatever faction you most desire.

They keep saying if you could pilot it before you will be able to pilot it after the change, getting skillpoints in the 4 racials of Destroyer's and Battlecruisers is still a slight nerf do to clone costs and not really gaining anything that you didn't have before for it, but it will be horrific if I can't use the ships I already trained to use, the forums would run red with the rage of newly christened bitter vets, given EVE's record of customer retention that isn't something to be scoffed at.

And while Yes multispecers will have more skillpoints they won't be more powerful then before, not in Bang Bang or Pew Pew, and lets not forget while Younger Player might miss out, (some older players may not get the maximum generosity) they still do get the benefit of reduced tech 2 pre-requisites, if they aren't multispecing it will be even quicker to get to the one tech 2 ship you lust after, it will just be longer to multispec, and to get to Interdictors you wont need Frigate V or to get to Command Ships you wont need Cruiser V. Its a shuffle for the new player.

But I'm pretty sure as long as you have the new pre-req for the skill (having the racial cruisers to IV for the new Battlecruiser Skill, its similiar for Destroyers) I think I read somewhere you will get the benefit of the extra racial versions, I'm know they don't intend this to be a nerf.

I'm not sure how I would react if they returned to me the skill points for 1 version of destroyer and battlecruiser, but I think I might just take the opportunity to shove them into Battleships V and finish it through training or Large Gun Turret V, if I got the tech 2 ships refunded because I no longer met the requirements for the skill's I could be sitting in a extra Tech 2 Fitted/Gunned Battleship, with Battleship to V to boot. :-p Though they probably will remove the omni Battlecruiser V req for Command Ship and omni Destroyer V for Interdictor, so getting command ships and interdictors refunded is a bit wishfull thinking, still I could undo some of the training excesses I inflicted on this character, to put the point into improving more economical/insurable warships. That could be a interesting silver lining.

The skills probably won't but I have even a funnier thought then refunding dictors and commandships, since racial Destroyers IV will be required for racial Cruisers and racial Battlecruiser IV is required for Battleships do we refund the multispecers for those skill points as well since the pessimist of the forum seem to want to believe we will just get the 1 Battlecruiser V I bet multispec Tech 2 Battleship Pilots would be pointing and laughing all the way to new level V skills. and even if they aren't so fiercely multispeced they can still get a jump into a Doctrine Battleship if they don't have one already.

But in any case we will get to atleast fly what we flew before so this is all a moot point. It just causes to big of a cascade to refund the skill points people would have massive amounts of unallocated skillpoints because multispecers no longer meet cruiser or battleship pre-reqs with just the skill refund without getting the Dest and BC skills up to IV.

Hmmm you may be right but all the non Dictor and CS tech 2 hull skills weren't bound to a racial ship type, because they were made to work with all the racial hull types of the qualifying class, maybe you just need 1 racial hull to unlock the skill or something.

Edit I reread you just mean the ship reqs not the skill reqs right?