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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#61 - 2012-04-20 13:23:39 UTC
Roime wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

One of the oldest fallacies in EVE.

In reality, the majority of the most LAZY PvPers in the game live in/base out of empire space.


wtf?



Fixed for everyone.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Warpshade
Warped Industries
#62 - 2012-04-20 13:33:55 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

These Idiots would blame the World Trade Center Towers for not being tanked with 10 foot Lead Sheets.


And the Terrorists of 9/11 respawned in their clones, with a lower security status Roll
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#63 - 2012-04-20 13:42:26 UTC
Warpshade wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

These Idiots would blame the World Trade Center Towers for not being tanked with 10 foot Lead Sheets.


And the Terrorists of 9/11 respawned in their clones, with a lower security status Roll


Not sure at all how to interpret this.

Try again.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
#64 - 2012-04-20 13:51:39 UTC
Can I have your alts? I will mine during hulkageddon and turn a profit if you hand them over. You don't need to mine near a hub, you just need to put in a little effort and work with some common sense im sure you have developed over the years.

The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.

One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#65 - 2012-04-20 14:08:57 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Knug LiDi wrote:
What I will add to this discussion, is only this:



Yup. And isn't it almost psychotic how they insist that engaging and popping a paper-bag of a Mack is PvP and NOT akin to a suicidal Terrorist Attack ?

These Idiots would blame the World Trade Center Towers for not being tanked with 10 foot Lead Sheets.


Its not terrorism its piracy.
Alotta Cleavage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2012-04-20 14:21:14 UTC
I understand the OP. Doing the EVE math with Risk vs. Rewards & Only fly what you can afford to lose. I've got a Alt Hulk Miner I just don't see myself using again. Maybe the ORE Syndicate can offer a secondary layer of Insurance for Mining ships? Or some way of forcing down the prices Hulks, I don't know. I seems like with these upcoming changes with Drone Minerals & Reprocessing T1 stuff it seems like something has got to change.
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#67 - 2012-04-20 14:21:40 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Warpshade wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

These Idiots would blame the World Trade Center Towers for not being tanked with 10 foot Lead Sheets.


And the Terrorists of 9/11 respawned in their clones, with a lower security status Roll


Not sure at all how to interpret this.

Try again.


After that pathetic attempt I think you should, another game preferably.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Jastra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2012-04-20 14:25:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Jastra wrote:


can you share that fit, seriously if thats non faction then I'll just shut up and go away because if thats true then yeah I agree that may be working as intended


[Hulk, New Setup 1]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Small Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Pyroxeres Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Pyroxeres Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Pyroxeres Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Mining Drone II x5
Warrior II x5



so in terms of isk at risk from the ganker, what does it take to alpha that fit ?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#69 - 2012-04-20 14:27:47 UTC
Kietay Ayari wrote:
Treo... Why is there always someone who doesnt understand PLEX in every thread. Subbing your account with PLEX is literally, 100% exactly the same as paying real money. There are others that buy PLEX, yes, just like there are other people who pay a sub.

It is -exactly- the same in terms of how much you contribute to CCP's wallet. The removal of one PLEXed account would hurt CCP just as much as the removal of one subbed account, and the removal of 10,000 PLEXed accounts would hurt CCP as much as the removal of 10,000 subbed accounts.


You are incorrect.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Hamshoe
Doomheim
#70 - 2012-04-20 14:54:35 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Knug LiDi wrote:
What I will add to this discussion, is only this:



Yup. And isn't it almost psychotic how they insist that engaging and popping a paper-bag of a Mack is PvP and NOT akin to a suicidal Terrorist Attack ?

These Idiots would blame the World Trade Center Towers for not being tanked with 10 foot Lead Sheets.


Its not terrorism its piracy.


Well since it's a game it's really neither, but within that context anything intended to extract "tears" hardly counts as piracy.

And anyone who claims tear extraction isn't a major motivator for Hulkageddon is lying.

It may be that you're mistaken.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#71 - 2012-04-20 14:55:43 UTC
The best way to go about this OP, is that you have to learn how to turn a negative situation into a positive one. I'm not talking about laughing it off or things like that. I'm talking about taking advantage of the situation.

I have two accounts. One is my Hulk pilot and the other my Orca pilot. To me, this is all I need instead of 4 accounts/alts for mining. Whenever I get ganked at least once, I move out of the system. But before I do, I make sure I place sell orders with ships and mods that gankers and other pvp folks usually use. That way, while I'm away, I'm profiting from their efforts to gank miners who are weaker and less inclined to adapt as other miners do. By the time I get back, my sell orders are complete and I have a fresh system in which the miners there have left and have the belts to myself. It's a double win for me really.

Not only that, I'm always on the move looking to mine in other systems where ganks seem to happen every now and then. The in-game star map or the one Dotlan provide kill stats that are useful in finding suitable systems where I can make a profit. These are the systems I go to whenever I move out of the system I got ganked in recently.

In a sense, I'm actually participating in pvp with minimal loss to myself if I play my cards right. I'm competing against other miners, I'm profiting from the needs of gankers and miners, and I chose to fly into the hot zones.

As you can see, there are many ways to help you turn your situation into a positive one. After all, "adapt or die" is the motto of Eve players. Live by it.

Adapt or Die
Lharanai
Fools of the Blue Oyster
#72 - 2012-04-20 15:33:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Lharanai
Kietay Ayari wrote:

It sucks but in the end its just that the game is not for you. Not to say there is anything wrong with not wanting to PvP. But if you don't, its probably not the beeest idea to play :c


I agree with that pvp is hardly avoidable in EVE, but I really have a problem with players telling other players how to play.

The OP was in this game with multiple accounts for 3 years, that means he invested time and money in something he enjoyed. He found his own way to enjoy EVE not including PvP, but that joy is going away so he is leaving.

I am not crying for CCP to make highsec 100% safe, but I am afraid that the OP does not belong to a 0.001 % of EVE players and that the recent ganking behaviour will lead in long term to a significant drop in subs. I hope I am wrong with that prediction, we will see what comes.

Personal note: I am not a big fan of killing other players, my addiction is avoiding getting killed by the hunters....most fun I have recently is playing getting caught....some players really need a lot of time to realize I had warpstabs and more than one....it gives me joy imagining their face when they get me into structure (and yes on these occasions I do hull tanking :) and then I just warp away


Additonal note:
as we have hunters (gankers) and prey (miners) in EVE the old fashioned red queen concept still works

"In reference to an evolutionary system, continuing adaptation is needed in order for a species to maintain its relative fitness amongst the systems being co-evolved with"

the gankers improved by the destroyer buff now the miners have to get buffed in order to avoid getting extinct, ahh don't take me to serious on that, I know EVE is not a complete biological system, but correlations do exist :)

Seriously, don't take me serious, I MEAN IT...seriously
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#73 - 2012-04-20 15:40:59 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


Its not terrorism its piracy.



When you are deliberately going to plan on winding up in a Cargohold-nerfed capsule, it's not Piracy.

Piracy involves financial benefit at the least.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#74 - 2012-04-20 15:42:02 UTC
Serge Bastana wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Warpshade wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

These Idiots would blame the World Trade Center Towers for not being tanked with 10 foot Lead Sheets.


And the Terrorists of 9/11 respawned in their clones, with a lower security status Roll


Not sure at all how to interpret this.

Try again.


After that pathetic attempt I think you should, another game preferably.



What attempt ? Someone is thread-lost...............

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#75 - 2012-04-20 16:07:23 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
What attempt ?
Your failed attempt at a real-life simile.

Lharanai wrote:
the gankers improved by the destroyer buff now the miners have to get
…absolutely nothing, since the destroyer buff fixed the imbalance caused by the CONCORD buffs and the insurance nerfs. The only difference is that the gankers chose to adapt; the miners refuse to do the same (and they also refuse to acknowledge the fact that they already had their buffs… numerous times).

The simple fact remains: a Hulk can trivially survive an attack from something as small as destroyer; it can be made to survive an attack from something as large as a battleship. People just refuse to protect themselves because, like complete idiots, they think that losing several hundred millions worth of equipment doesn't effect their efficiency. The OP died because he consistently made every mistake in the book. Ganking is a complete non-issue.
Lharanai
Fools of the Blue Oyster
#76 - 2012-04-20 16:15:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Lharanai
Tippia wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
What attempt ?
Your failed attempt at a real-life simile.

Lharanai wrote:
the gankers improved by the destroyer buff now the miners have to get
…absolutely nothing, since the destroyer buff fixed the imbalance caused by the CONCORD buffs and the insurance nerfs. The only difference is that the gankers chose to adapt; the miners refuse to do the same (and they also refuse to acknowledge the fact that they already had their buffs… numerous times).



there is a slight difference between changing you habit or your fit in order to adapt and a change of ship stats by a buff.

facts:

the pure statistical DPS output of cheaper ships has improved (via Tier 3 BC and destroyer buff)
the stats of industrial ships did not improve

Edit: just to make it clear, I am not a miner, I hate mining, its the most boring thing you can do in EVE in my opinion, but some people like it and who am I to judge them

Seriously, don't take me serious, I MEAN IT...seriously
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#77 - 2012-04-20 16:19:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Lharanai wrote:
there is a slight difference between changing you habit or your fit in order to adapt and a change of ship stats by a buff.

facts:

the pure statistical DPS output of cheaper ships has improved (via Tier 3 BC and destroyer buff)
the stats of industrial ships did not improve
…because all that happened is that the balance was returned to where it was 3-4 years ago (when ganking wasn't a problem and when miners could work the belts very safely). So no stat buff is necessary since the situation is already balanced just fine.

So no, it does not follow that miners “have to” be buffed just because destroyers were buffed an R3 BCs were introduced.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#78 - 2012-04-20 16:25:47 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:



When you are deliberately going to plan on winding up in a Cargohold-nerfed capsule, it's not Piracy.

Piracy involves financial benefit at the least.


They do it for money. You can make a profit from killing a hulk with a destroyer.
Lharanai
Fools of the Blue Oyster
#79 - 2012-04-20 16:26:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Lharanai
@ Tippia you have your opinion and I have mine, hopefully I am wrong and you are right because atm I can't see EVE in a healthy state regarding the satisfaction of the majority of players

but to end with a quote I really like and which should be more considered in the forums:

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. ~Evelyn Beatrice Hall

Edit: and with satisfaction I mean longterm not until the next expansion

Seriously, don't take me serious, I MEAN IT...seriously
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#80 - 2012-04-20 16:28:01 UTC
Lharanai wrote:
[quote=Kietay Ayari]


I am not crying for CCP to make highsec 100% safe, but I am afraid that the OP does not belong to a 0.001 % of EVE players and that the recent ganking behaviour will lead in long term to a significant drop in subs. I hope I am wrong with that prediction, we will see what comes.



This "recent ganking behaviour has been in game for the past 9 years. Its just as bad now as any time so I doubt we will see a drop in subs over this.