EVE General Discussion

CONCORD was never meant as a preventative police force. With a class of immortal capsuleers it just wouldn't make sense. So instead they punish as soon as they can. And it is swift and complete. If a criminal can complete their crime before Concord can stop them, it doesn't matter, because the punishment always comes.

In other words, CONCORD is meant to punish a dumb gankers wallet. A smart ganker learns to mitigate that damage. Everything outside of 1.0 space is potentially a bad neighborhood. A miner sitting defenseless in a belt cannot and should not expect concord to protect them.

It should always ultimately be up to the players to make sure they don't get ganked. Don't leave it up to CCP or Concord to save you. That isn't the way it is supposed to be.

baltec....Tell me something. Do you not fit your ships to have them perform at top efficiency for the activity you are using them for? So why would a miner do any differently? Fitting a tank to a barge comes at the cost of mining effieciency. I'm not much of an industrialist, I have a character that mines on occasion when I don't feel like scanning, running missions, or trying to pick a fight.

Why should a miner be forced to fit a tank to mine because of gankers?

It's like trying to say PVP'ers should be forced to gimp their PVP ships with one less tank module or gun.
I understand this is primarily a PVP game and I have nothing against it. I enjoy my PVP when I get some just like the next guy/girl. I'm just curious to know why a lot of people feel that miners are not entitled to peak efficiency for their ships.

An untanked hulk will tank more than an untanked pilgrim. EVE is a dangerous place, fitting no tank on anything is just asking for trouble, especially if said ganker can make a profit from your death.

Good point.......I have to admit I never really saw it that way.

Touche

Well played......sir/maam...well played indeed.

I doubt anyone is forcing you to wipe your own ass. However, if you don't, it might be difficult to find someone to do it for you and you could start to smell a bit. Just saying



Feel free. I'm not in game I'm at work, and will be for quite some time still. However if you do catch me online look me up I'm primarily in Umokka.

Balderdash. Again. "It's just a sandbox." / "This game isn't for you." (Inferring there's a right way and a wrong way.) As the OP said, ganking Hulks is sanctioned by CCP. Miners, as a result, are sanctioned victims. The game is TILTED in favor of criminal behavior by CCP's variables calibration. That same calibration, without "changing" the game, could even things up, or favor the miner. That CCP has skewed the game in this direction, and refuses to UNskew it only proves whose side they're on.

PvP isn't the point of EVE. Calling ganking miners "PvP" is like calling wearing your daddy's shoes "being grown up." If you all were such badasses, you'd be where actual well-fitted, amply-skilled combat pilots roam, taking your chances on your own skills. The fact you're NOT is proof you CAN'T. If you can swim, what're you doing in the wading pool?

Sell this smack to some blind, deaf, fool.

People kill hulks for profit. Incidently the hulk pilot is a player and the gank pilot is a player which means it is pvp. Same as how selling stuff in jita is pvp. PVP is the backbone of EVE.

That is more or less a sound argument; I agree with it.

The problem is that CCP is "fixing ganking" not by balancing ship stats, but by adjusting CONCORD and aggro mechanics. While CCP's approach to balancing supers is more or less on the right track, their approach to balancing mining is anything but.

Even though I'm a member of the "gankbear" community, I wouldn't be against some barge rebalancing in which we would see them get cruiser-sized power grids, while at the same time receiving minimum amounts of mid slots (1-2 at best). Maybe add some lows. This way, carebears would be forced to choose between yield and tank, just like the pvpers do.

I'm fully aware that there are 30-odd-thousand Hulk EHP setups possible, but they're about as feasible as hull+shield-tanked battleships are for solo PvP. A player should be able to have 15-20 thousand EHP on a Hulk, at the expense of a few low slots.

Carriers and Dreads....far easier to get into then a titan. Sure, you might lose 1 or 60 to those Titan fleet DD guns...but you would have closer to 550 if you started with a 600 man that have 10 minutes before they can fire again. Granted, the dread should be the fleet battleship of choice to deal with Titans and need a HP buff to compensate.

And Titans could only do what they did because the players found a way around the first set of nerfs before Titan guns took an arrow to the knee. Why did the Titan pilot adapt to the first set of nerfs, but the BS fleet pilot can't? So....CCP stepped in to give them a chance. If the BS fleet pilot got a chance to play the game since they couldn't adapt to Titan's with XL guns, why can't the hulk pilot get a chance to for a buff to deal with the new highsec mini-titans called destroyer packs and tier 3 battlecruisers? Its not asking for a massive immunity, just something better then 1899 hitpoints of shields with a 37.5% resist bonus and a small number of lows to structure tank...cause face it a Tornado would blast throw it easily and a couple of destroyers would finish off structure.

Its hard to adapt to something that can alpha any subcap with any fit. As for the deads, they dont work, it has been tried and the got wiped out.

Hulks however act like everything else, fit a basic tank and it will survive destoyers, supertank it and they will need 4 alpha nados to make sure they kill it. Fit no tank at all and it will die easily.