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CYNO REGULATIONS - Serious Questions & Discussion
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WisdomLikeSilence
BurgerkingTM
#81 - 2012-04-24 08:39:33 UTC
"As long as you know what you are doing, you are never risking your ship."
Thats true of any situation, not just cyno jumps.

But it would be fun to have people jump their stuff to somewhere in system volume rather than right on station. You would have to make cynos something you need to scan for to give freighters and carriers a fighting chance to turn and warp off though.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#82 - 2012-04-24 08:58:58 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
]It makes logistics so easy a caveman can do it.
It removes all risk from moving assets from Jita -> nullsec hub of choice.
It makes it easier for alliances to import from hisec than setup their own proper industrial backbone.
It encourages players in alliances to import from hisec rather than rely or contribute to the alliance backbone.


Logistics is too easy. Jita run from null to hisec faster than I can haul stuff from Rens to Amarr in an agility fitted blockade runner, FTW.

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-04-24 08:59:49 UTC
1. Cyno's can not be opened within 5km of stations.
2. Capital ships can no longer take ANY form of a bridge.
3. Stop fake caring about the small time alliances when it is large coalitions who abuse the living **** out of jump freighters.
4. PROFIT!!!

There is no ???
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#84 - 2012-04-24 09:10:32 UTC
hermot wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
hermot wrote:
low sec pirate angry?



He obviously hasn't discovered you can get free kills by popping cyno frigs on stations with something as small as a destroyer and STILL get out before the station guns pwn you.


Nothing screams pro pvp like shooting a cyno alt. /sarcasm


Some PvP is about tears, not chestbeating, isk, killboards or other irrelevant drivel. I farmed cyno frigs in a lowsec area for some time, not to pad killboards (it doesn't affect your efficiency anyhow, based on isk as it usually is), it doesn't make me look good (in fact, I've gotten alot of insults, similar to yours). But it also got some of them so annoyed they cyno'd in other systems, allowing me to get a few JF/capital kills. But I wouldn't expect a blobing killboard-masturbating elite PvPer to understand such things. And of course, the tears, they are delicious, the amount of hatemails you get from certain people, claiming they will violate your mother and sister, just because you kill his cyno frigs repeatedly.. is priceless.

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#85 - 2012-04-24 15:48:12 UTC
Misanth wrote:
hermot wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
hermot wrote:
low sec pirate angry?



He obviously hasn't discovered you can get free kills by popping cyno frigs on stations with something as small as a destroyer and STILL get out before the station guns pwn you.


Nothing screams pro pvp like shooting a cyno alt. /sarcasm


Some PvP is about tears, not chestbeating, isk, killboards or other irrelevant drivel. I farmed cyno frigs in a lowsec area for some time, not to pad killboards (it doesn't affect your efficiency anyhow, based on isk as it usually is), it doesn't make me look good (in fact, I've gotten alot of insults, similar to yours). But it also got some of them so annoyed they cyno'd in other systems, allowing me to get a few JF/capital kills. But I wouldn't expect a blobing killboard-masturbating elite PvPer to understand such things. And of course, the tears, they are delicious, the amount of hatemails you get from certain people, claiming they will violate your mother and sister, just because you kill his cyno frigs repeatedly.. is priceless.


No matter the reasons, PVP is not only allowed, it is expected. Anyone who lights cynos in a lowsec system expects getting ganked. If one trully expects otherwise, they are only fooling themselves. Albeit quite entertaining, it is extremely paradoxal to receive those mails if you think about it. Betrayal is the only real motivator in such a response, but why would you trust pirates in the first place?
oprime
S0utherN Comfort
#86 - 2012-04-24 16:09:35 UTC
It actually takes an enormous amount of time, planning, and isk to move items to/from nullsec. Just cuz lowsec and empire noobs see a high priced capital ship and want to kill it, doesn't mean they should be able to.

It's actually already extremely easy to kill a carrier or jump freighter off a station dock. Really is unfortunate that people who don't fly cap ships don't truly understand how to kill them. Look at orphanage or privateers killboards and see how many jump freighters they kill. They make a living off killing JF's.

If you really wanna kill high cost ships in your own realm go wardec an incursion runner or something. Gank them with 3 or so T1 fitted blackbirds even xP. Or better yet leave empire and do some real pvp.
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#87 - 2012-04-24 16:41:16 UTC
oprime wrote:
It actually takes an enormous amount of time, planning, and isk to move items to/from nullsec. Just cuz lowsec and empire noobs see a high priced capital ship and want to kill it, doesn't mean they should be able to.

It's actually already extremely easy to kill a carrier or jump freighter off a station dock. Really is unfortunate that people who don't fly cap ships don't truly understand how to kill them. Look at orphanage or privateers killboards and see how many jump freighters they kill. They make a living off killing JF's.

If you really wanna kill high cost ships in your own realm go wardec an incursion runner or something. Gank them with 3 or so T1 fitted blackbirds even xP. Or better yet leave empire and do some real pvp.


I completely agree with the post above except the underlined statement. I think it is quite the opposite. Cynoing at a lowsec caldari station is much safer than at a large deathstar POS. No ammount of ewar can prevent the target from docking if he is within range, only alpha counts. I have no doubt the mentionned corps can field that alpha. We are back to the comparison of requiring supercaps to kill a single marauder. Every ship has a cost-efficient counter, except the JF. Once you leave lowsec, you have bridges/cyno gens which only require a scout.

Don't be so quick to assume too much, I am quite familiar with game mechanics anywhere in EVE. I do see where you are coming from though since you bring valid points.

And again, I don't think such a change can be done without revisting the JF's a bit either. Some buffs should complement an obvious nerf so the net result is a positive result.
leich
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#88 - 2012-04-24 16:51:06 UTC
FYI only a nutter would cyno directly onto a POS bubble takes to long to slow boat in you cyno 150+ off the POS so you still in range of defences but able to warp directly to the tower.
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#89 - 2012-04-24 19:20:57 UTC
leich wrote:
FYI only a nutter would cyno directly onto a POS bubble takes to long to slow boat in you cyno 150+ off the POS so you still in range of defences but able to warp directly to the tower.


Same idea if you want to warp to the station.