EVE General Discussion

Are we talking jump freighters or cynos.

Jump freighters where and are badly needed.
At one time Dread and carriers performed the role the the mass movers and where later on nerfed.
Which left the small alliances in a serious bind while the large titan alliances simply shifted to more titan bridges.

As far as cyno's
Keep in mind you can warp directly to any cyno no matter where it is in system.

Well first off if you move cyno's to 15 km off anything then everyone will switch to POS's as there drop off point.

So you are going to go from.
Forcing someone to dock and undock opportunity to a lets take on a POS.

That would mean less opportunity to kill a capital rather then more.

IF the mechanic of docking is perceived to be to much then wouldn't it be better to create a docking timer when you jump via a cyno ?

As you have failed to explain the actual problem it is rather hard to find a fix.

Goons haha being a goon is easier than starting fron scratch in highsec yet every goontard has that elitist sense of superiority over highseccers that I love.
Sorry I didn't have a corp hand me everything when I created my acct.

That's pretty hardcore, especially considering a JF takes less than a minute to enter warp. It just seems that from a realistic perspective there should be a minimum distance a cyno can be lit from celestial objects, especially stations. Same deal as with smartbombs and whatnot.

The idea is to make cynoing a better option "in space" rather than "on station". Sure, the standard will switch with big alliances switching to a POS chain to ensure safety of their logistics. This tactic would create two things:

1- An unkeep cost for a healthy logistics route
2- A clear and specific target to attack if you wish to cripple an alliance's logistics (the POS itself)

If you buff JF's during this change, they would not necessarily become easier to kill, but there would be a clear window if you manage to get excellent intel beforehand.

i love it when non-spaceholding alliances talk about the activities of spaceholding alliances

Lol are you Jimbo001's alt? I would not mind either, as long as it is happening in space and not when I am bangin' Jimbo001's sister in station. That would be rather unexpected.

You seem to be under the assumption that everything in Eve has to have some huge standard of risk, which is not strictly speaking, true. There is risk in everything, but not necessarily high risk. Risk can be mitigated by a number of factors, including Alts.

One function of "risk" in the Cyno chain is trusting the guy who is providing the cyno. However that risk is largely ameliorated by people being able to run multiple accounts and provide their own cyno.

However, that being said, I am not sure what your proposition provides? Clearly you want to blow up more caps. Other people don't want their caps exploded because they use them for critical infrastructure management/logistics.

Why is your demand the more compelling?

i dunno what they did and what they didn't do....
check this little piece of eve-kills. just took "+5B kills".
Isn't it enough?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=home&scl_id=600

Correct me if any of this is wrong.

Cyno's require skills, fuel, and ships capable of utilizing the mods plus the specialized mods and deployables. They require coordination of two parties (minimum). So yes, they are more accurate than system gates that generically propel a very wide variety of loads across highly variable distances without requiring any special skills, fuel, mods, coordination, deployables or alignment.

It's like molding a piece of aluminum using a large bastard file versus a CNC machine.

I think most of us agree docking ranges should be revisited. Perhaps with the new tessellation demo we saw at fanfest this will be possible with something other than a sphere around the station. Perhaps it's time to revise them completely and make specific docking areas just as undocking is done. That would be a completely new idea for another thread though.



Not necessarily as "huge" as you might think. But I do go under the assumption that non-existent risk is generally unwelcome. If you know the exact time and route of a JF, there is still little you can do if the pilot knows what he is doing. The problem I see is that no amount of intel gives you a chance. There is no proper counter for a traveling JF. If you have what it takes, the pilot won't jump. If you don't, he will dock.

I would like to see a system where if you know the exact location and time of a JF jump (or any lone capital ship), you should be able to set a trap without it being too obvious.

If the area in question is guarded by POS guns, you should have to disable them beforehand.



Not a bad idea. You will then require to either be lightning fast or ready/cloaked at the area already. In either case, proper intel would then be the only tool to catch one.

The lone corp/solo player who jumps his JF/cap ship irregularly would be safer than an alliance JF which does the trip on a regular basis.

Since recons has a 5 minute delay, we might see more people trying to light these at safe spots with them hoping they don't get probed down. Your T1 frigate still remains the most cost effective cyno, but it at least gives players more incentive to use expensive ships without forcing them to.



To answer your post as eloquently as you did:

Learn to read.
Understand what you read.
Learn to write an appropriate response...

cyno alt i light my own cynos for fear of ending up with my jf in a goon blob