EVE General Discussion

It makes logistics so easy a caveman can do it.
It removes all risk from moving assets from Jita -> nullsec hub of choice.
It makes it easier for alliances to import from hisec than setup their own proper industrial backbone.
It encourages players in alliances to import from hisec rather than rely or contribute to the alliance backbone.

Pretty much.

There is also no reason to penalize only JF`s though. Moving any capital ship should require a combination of planning, scouting and timing.

As long as you can catch any cap ship if you immediatly warp to a cyno (before checking if it is at a POS) then i think the system would be more balanced and fun for both parties. At first, some might lose their ships being cynoed, but then, pirates will start losing their ships by blindly warping to cynos.

If you change the jump mechanic so that ships are pushed into danger or far outside docking range, the new standard for small/solo groups will just be to jump right before Downtime. A couple jump freighters die every day, why would you want it to be a common occurence to get a shot at a 6 bil isk hull that is a loot pinata. The logistics part of EVE is definatelly the least "fun", and i'm glad the current jump mechanics make the trips go quick.

They would still take relatively the same amount of time. However, there would be a window for a coordinated offensive.

I'm pretty sure part of the logistics boring part is that they can be done solo fairly easily, which becomes a mundane time sink for the designated corp/alliance JF pilot.

Not everybody knows this. However, assuming perfect timing on the cyno/jump/warp to station, let's assume it takes a solid 45 seconds for the freighter to enter warp once the cyno is lit. Your ganker has exactly 45 seconds to realize there is a cyno, align, warp, land, move 10ish kms to bump. Some timers might need to be revisited, I agree.

The point is, if done right, a pirate should have less than 5 seconds to initiate warp to a new cyno if he wants to have any hopes of catching what comes through. The best part, he won't know 100% what is coming through because once he does, it is already too late: he either lands in time and tries to tackle or arrives too late.

Chances are they are aware of the issue. It might not be on the top of their list, hence the discussion to see what people think. Honestly, I think they will revisit it when they revisit other stuff like WTZ, docking radius, warp speeds, autopilot, station games.

If cyno's were to be changed as suggested in this thread, most would adapt fairly easy. I for one would make op not only light my a cyno with his alt, but also force him to bring his main and web me out.

But its true, jump drives and titan bridges has made logistics and moving caps a minor inconvenience.

And why not, if they so choose? a JF would still remain as the most effective option in terms of sheer m3 quantity. Once vulnerable, they could easily be put on par with regular freighter loads too.

When I think of ways I could make this f*cking terrible game better, I don't really see making the quality of life of anybody who travels outside of continous highsec as a solution.

Nothing is going to make industry go local in 0.0, its simply not feasible. Datacores are not found in nullsec in enough quanity to foster invention for one.

i love it when empiredwellers talk about nullsec logistics so authoritatively from the perspective of the veldspar belt