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30K Online :: 300K Subs ???

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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-04-19 18:42:57 UTC
Recently I have been seeing about 30K online at any given time. Maybe 40K for a little while during a weekend peak. I don't want to argue the exact numbers, but there is a realtively huge discrepancy between the number of subs and active online numbers. Why is this?

It shouldn't be this way, should it? I mean, I share a system with a guy who has a personal mining fleet of an Orca and 4 hulks, and he says he is planning on purchasing 10 accounts total. Whenever he is online, ALL of his accounts are active.

Another scenario is a lo/null sec explorer that will almost always take a scouting alt while he works the sites. Again, if this type of player is online, so is his alt account. (This is me.)

What am I missing, and why does this discrepancy exist? Or are there really only 50K active subs and not the 300K that I have heard about via repeated heresay?
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-04-19 18:45:49 UTC
its 3pm EST which means just about everyone who has school or work in the US is offline...
not everyone plays every day and some subs are in fact mostly inactive and just used to train skills. some people are inevitably on long breaks but still subbed to eve, i do that alot put on a long skill to 5 and just never log in for 2months.

your best bet is to look 7PM EST on expansion day.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3 - 2012-04-19 18:46:08 UTC
Because of Falcon.

Also, a lot of accounts are only intended to be used for a few minutes per day or per week.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

masternerdguy
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-04-19 18:46:28 UTC
You forgot to factor in the majority of the population: Bots and cyno/market alts.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

J Kunjeh
#5 - 2012-04-19 18:47:18 UTC
Eve has only about 10k actual paying individual subscribers, the rest are alts....this much is true.

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 

Victor Twenty
The Scorpion Brothers
#6 - 2012-04-19 18:49:36 UTC
You need to think outside your pod, Its not the same 30k people logging in everyday at the same time. it takes 300k of subscriptions to have a 30k rolling average of players online at any given time.


Vic20
Hya Bam
It's Hammer Time
#7 - 2012-04-19 18:54:18 UTC
Not everyone plays when you do.

The 30K is how many are logged on at once, not how many have logged on in the last 24 hrs.

Assuming 300K subs, if every one of them logged in for 2.4 hours per day, and all log-ins are evenly distributed, you would see about the same thing. It's not very strange when seen from that perspective.

Is this sig EVE related?

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#8 - 2012-04-19 18:56:18 UTC
Urgg Boolean wrote:
Recently I have been seeing about 30K online at any given time.


Sorry, I had to take a nap. It should be back up to 30,001 now.

Feel better?

Mr Epeen Cool
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#9 - 2012-04-19 19:01:16 UTC
Today another player learns about timezones.

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Mara Villoso
Long Jump.
#10 - 2012-04-19 19:06:01 UTC
We all know plenty of people who are logged in for 4 to 6 hrs a day and many for more than that, esp. Jita alts and similar intel/market characters. I doubt the rolling average is a totally different 30k people. Even if we assume that every 4 hrs a completely and totally different set of 30k people is online (totally unlikely), that would be 180k players or roughly half of the total subscribers CCP claims. I can think of no one I know who plays using only one account. Assuming for a moment that they log at least two characters on at a time (and many players have a lot more alts), that 30k is really more like 15k. Going back to our ridiculous assumption that a totally different group is playing every 4 hrs, that's 90k people.

My guess is that there is something like 75k to 85k regular, reasonably dedicated actual human EVE players who are online 50% or more days of the week for 4 to 8 hrs per session. There are probably another 50k or so "true" casual players who play two or three times a week for less than 4 hrs. Everything else is alts, trial players passing through, and bots. But its all just guessing.
Neve Talie-Ko
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-04-19 19:10:38 UTC
Back in the day....

Everquest used to use a figure of 19:1 to balance server loads. They would allow a server shard to have 19 times the maximum load of the expected to play at one time limit.

Considering the number of people in Eve with more than one account, 10:1 is not that surprising.
Vetorept Fera
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-04-19 19:20:26 UTC
Pro tip: the earf is round, this creates day/night. Some folks sleep at night Cool

In pace requiescat

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#13 - 2012-04-19 19:23:46 UTC
Wow.

You know, I live in a city of over 80,000 people, but when I go outside, I only ever see at most 30 or 40. I wonder why that is.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

Adunh Slavy
#14 - 2012-04-19 19:25:02 UTC
Hya Bam wrote:

The 30K is how many are logged on at once, not how many have logged on in the last 24 hrs.



That would be a nice stat to have when we log on in addition to current, how many individual accounts have signed on in the past 24 hours.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#15 - 2012-04-19 19:30:08 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Hya Bam wrote:

The 30K is how many are logged on at once, not how many have logged on in the last 24 hrs.



That would be a nice stat to have when we log on in addition to current, how many individual accounts have signed on in the past 24 hours.



Put this on your other monitor. Now your wish is granted.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?

masternerdguy
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-04-19 19:31:53 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Hya Bam wrote:

The 30K is how many are logged on at once, not how many have logged on in the last 24 hrs.



That would be a nice stat to have when we log on in addition to current, how many individual accounts have signed on in the past 24 hours.



Put this on your other monitor. Now your wish is granted.


You may also notice that the number of people on the server is periodic.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

Red Maiden
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-04-19 19:33:09 UTC
Urgg Boolean wrote:
Maybe 40K for a little while during a weekend peak. I don't want to argue the exact numbers, but there is a realtively huge discrepancy between the number of subs and active online numbers.


Sorry, you brought up some numbers, so I'm going to argue them, whether you like it or not.

This past weekend, on April 15th, I was watching the server population between the US hours of 2-5pm CST. During that time, the population fluctuated between 49k as a low, and 53k at it's peak. I remember those numbers because when the server broke 53k, I shouted about it in the Help channel.

Either you're confused about the actual timing of the "weekend peak" and you made an honest mistake, or you're a troll.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#18 - 2012-04-19 19:59:10 UTC
Imagine if everyone on your ISP logged on at once and started downloading at once.

'Nuff said.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

masternerdguy
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-04-19 20:00:19 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Imagine if everyone on your ISP logged on at once and started downloading at once.

'Nuff said.


Then you can collectively sue the ISP for not delivering the services they promised.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-04-19 20:00:34 UTC
Urgg Boolean wrote:
What am I missing, and why does this discrepancy exist? Or are there really only 50K active subs and not the 300K that I have heard about via repeated heresay?
I thought it was obvious , but I guess for some it's not.

You see, not everyone in the world who plays eve plays at the same time. Prime time for some may be the middle of the night for others. For me, most who are online are in America or Europe. Very few if any Russians Australians and Asians are online because for them it's the middle of the night.

Another fact to note is that not all players play daily. Some barely log in once or twice a week just to fiddle with skill queue. I have two accounts. One is my main and I log in about three or four times per week. My other account only logs in when I need him to haul stuff or to update skill queue.

Do you understand now?

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