Market Discussions

My personal opinion is that the QEN were/are pointless other than a item to be printed off and bound for future ganders. Anybody can look at a host of third party, market dump aggregation sites and known what minerals were doing. Posting ship counts should've remained in the realm of proprietary, requiring a little common sense and networking to get a big picture view of the habits of the herd.

Personally, I look over enough information and am enough of a small time dealer that mass market information goes in one ear and out the other. I simply don't have the cash of some of the other players to take meaningful advantage of long term disparities in the market. My interest is in striking quickly at exceedingly short opportunities so that I can "play" the game too instead of concerning myself with all manner of tools and whatnot to play a game outside of EVE.

in case this post wasn't dismissive enough, those two options are mutually exclusive and he's calling you a moron for accusing us of doing both


just thought I'd spell that out since you seem pretty dumb

nah you're absolutely right that we're in a position to cartel it and even that we are


but saying that we're somehow holding supply back and simultaneously dumping it as fast as we can makes you a broken clock

there is no tech cartel in the sense the idiot thinks there is, an artificial restriction of supply through agreement with other parties

instead, what there is is information-sharing on how to not crater tech prices by accident, as well as my personal use of goonswarm market power to move prices to equilibrium faster than might happen otherwise

the general idea the moron has - that tech is not the bottleneck of t2 production, and is just made to be through a cartel - is trivially disprovable (and, you gotta ask, why has it managed to persist through virtually every tech moon in the game changing hands over the past year)

My word you're panicking, aren't you?

Look, tech stocks can't be empty as you keep insisting. Otherwise the price would be constantly inflating, not spiking and going back down. But you know that :)

Corestwo is quite correct.
Only details would be that the extreme rightmost swing has some speculation push and that the "dips" are just the natural swings that every market needs to breathe (regardless of the underlying cause).
If it had been a pure cartel operation the price would do more "saw teeth" shaped swings and they'd be more on an horizontal plane.

So we're a cartel, but there's also stockpiles out there, but there actually aren't, and we're all also all dumping as fast as possible in anticipation of the introduction of ring mining that CCP has given no details whatsoever about including, most crucially, a date.



Do I have that right?



Apparently we're schrodinger's cartel or something I don't even know.

I think we stand a bit corrected..

Would seem we just got a nice new dev blog...

Hoping he drops in on us, and drops a line once in a while. Especially some comments on the more analytical and feature discussion threads..

Would like to hear more about out of game market data and historics all the way back to early days..

Also any comments on if or why we are not getting shares tradable in scc, player corp and npc corp..

Dev blog

OK, I read your other thread about the candle bar graphs and it looks very interesting. I still think you're missing the point about Tech, especially if you're inferring from regular up and down fluctuations that there cannot be a cartel.

I'm not saying all Tech stock is owned by one shadowy puppetmaster who logs on and updates his sell orders once a week. Tech has basically been analogous to real world gold for the last two years. Since Akita T's the Sky's the limit post people have stored value in Tech. So of course there are spikes because any price point will see long and short term speculators move stock.

But most Tech that is actually harvested is subject to a price agreement made by nullsec alliances. That's why, with a Tech nerf imminent, the price has gone up. Because clever players are maximising their profits while they still can. As Mittens said in the state of the Goonion 3 weeks ago when asked about the incoming tech nerf "our finance guys have been planning for this since we got our first tech moon".

I also think, V V, that when you read posts from people like Coretwo you make the mistake of taking his obvious expertise as an indication that what he is saying is correct. He IS expert. He also has a vested interest. That's why he's misleading the board. It reminds me of how, in 2008 when we started to realise there might be a problem with our savings and pensions, journalists invited experts from Goldman Sachs on to their programmes to advise the public how to invest their money. If you want to be a real auditing expert you need to look at the people as well as the numbers.

Anyway I need to learn a bit more about candles before we can really have a decent discussion on why you think the graphs show there is no cartel in operation, VV. Thanks for your insights.

Yup. The Goons have had their tiny pathetic little hands around the price of Technetium TOO long. Kills T2 shipbuilding profits for all down to hardly anything.