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Faction Warfare timer bug and occupancy warfare

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#61 - 2012-04-20 08:44:49 UTC
GM Zerat wrote:
This is a bug, and is scheduled to be fixed in a future patch. Abusing this intentionally is NOT allowed. Period.

Accidentally triggering this effect is of course not the same thing.

The afk cloaking scenario was deemed normal game mechanics and no bug was being abused there. They are separate cases. This has nothing to do with the Gallente or Caldari militias, both sides can abuse this bug.

Also note that our rulings here may seem inconsistent, because it is often difficult to verify someone's intention when this bug happens. We cannot take any action against a player where we aren't reasonably sure they were doing this intentionally. You have openly stated to us that you are doing this intentionally, so there is no argument there.


So it is all right to bug plexes if you say it was accidentally, good to know.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#62 - 2012-04-20 12:03:50 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:


So it is all right to bug plexes if you say it was accidentally, good to know.


No, they way you do this properly is;

1. Declare on these forums you are going to exploit the bug.

2. Then the bug is clearly declared an exploit.

3. Realise what a silly idea it was to post on the forum then hope that you can continue to exploit the bug but throw up as many smokescreens as possible in the hopes that GM's cant gather the client/user/ip/transaction data to incriminate you and your friends and alts while you carry on exploiting in spite of clear adjudication from CCP.

I think that just about covers it lol.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#63 - 2012-04-20 12:47:23 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
3. Realise what a silly idea it was to post on the forum then hope that you can continue to exploit the bug but throw up as many smokescreens as possible in the hopes that GM's cant gather the client/user/ip/transaction data to incriminate you and your friends and alts while you carry on exploiting in spite of clear adjudication from CCP.

I think that just about covers it lol.


Actually this post was made AFTER GM threathened me with a ban when gallente players petitioned me simply because I happened to be inside a FW plex with a hostile wt.

To me the curious bit is how did the gallentes managed to get GM attention to this so fast when previous actions like cloak capture (Ankh), cloak despawn trick (Val Erian) or removing plex from circulation with similiar method (Moira./Onyx in Aivonen & Pavanakka) as this, which were petitioned by Caldari did not provoke any such action.

It must the unbiased GM thing again, eh?
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#64 - 2012-04-20 12:49:59 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:


So it is all right to bug plexes if you say it was accidentally, good to know.


No, they way you do this properly is;

1. Declare on these forums you are going to exploit the bug.

2. Then the bug is clearly declared an exploit.

3. Realise what a silly idea it was to post on the forum then hope that you can continue to exploit the bug but throw up as many smokescreens as possible in the hopes that GM's cant gather the client/user/ip/transaction data to incriminate you and your friends and alts while you carry on exploiting in spite of clear adjudication from CCP.

I think that just about covers it lol.



You forget one thing, i have ever exploited anything in EVE, all things i have done that may be close to considered as exploit are done with CCP permission.
Heredom
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2012-04-20 13:54:40 UTC
GM Zerat wrote:
This is a bug, and is scheduled to be fixed in a future patch. Abusing this intentionally is NOT allowed. Period.

Accidentally triggering this effect is of course not the same thing.

The afk cloaking scenario was deemed normal game mechanics and no bug was being abused there. They are separate cases. This has nothing to do with the Gallente or Caldari militias, both sides can abuse this bug.

Also note that our rulings here may seem inconsistent, because it is often difficult to verify someone's intention when this bug happens. We cannot take any action against a player where we aren't reasonably sure they were doing this intentionally. You have openly stated to us that you are doing this intentionally, so there is no argument there.


/emote plays Hallelujah from Hendel while shouting "Thank You !"

Done, signature edited with perfection!...

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#66 - 2012-04-20 14:38:33 UTC
Dopified wrote:
SORRY MENT TO SAY "YOUR accounts"
Umm yeah... those damn Freudian slips! :D

Damar is right though, it's taken years for CCP to fix the stupidest things about FW plexing mechanics. Many props to Damar for being so loud on the forums that the devs couldn't ignore him this time.

Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#67 - 2012-04-20 14:50:38 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Damar is right though, it's taken years for CCP to fix the stupidest things about FW plexing mechanics. Many props to Damar for being so loud on the forums that the devs couldn't ignore him this time.


They certainly can, and they certainly will as long as this issue is discussed as this angry personal dispute between factions with accusations of CCP enforcement bias. Bickering back and forth for years has paints the issue as one that annoys a few dogmatic roleplayers locking horns, and not one that affects the militias as a whole and is worth serious development time.

This has to be dealt with rationally and from a mechanical standpoint, and sitting around saying "its always the other faction abusing this not me" and constantly challenging GM rulings gets the issue zero traction in terms of getting fixed.

If bickering over factional crap is more important that getting the bug fixed, by all means, everyone in here should keep at it. But those that care more about seeing the bug get fixed have got to learn to curb the finger pointing and discuss the issue itself, or get more of the community at large into threads like this one which have cropped up numerous times now. They always break down into bickering among the usual half dozen suspects, and are very likely continuing to be de-prioritized by CCP as a result.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Dopified
Black Eagle5
#68 - 2012-04-20 15:03:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Dopified
Actually this post was made AFTER GM threathened me with a ban when gallente players petitioned me simply because I happened to be inside a FW plex with a hostile wt.

To me the curious bit is how did the gallentes managed to get GM attention to this so fast when previous actions like cloak capture (Ankh), cloak despawn trick (Val Erian) or removing plex from circulation with similiar method (Moira./Onyx in Aivonen & Pavanakka) as this, which were petitioned by Caldari did not provoke any such action.

It must the unbiased GM thing again, eh?
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Damar, We where not refering to this post. We where refering to the earlier post you made on another forum.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=91246&p=3

I mean seriously you did bring attention to the Bug so why are you still going on. I also thought that posting up what GM's or CCP is communicating is not allowed but as to see you doing it here and a GM has posted as well then maybe it is not. Seriously you seem to be a govrnment worker man. I have never seen such lies come out of someone as you. Macro Man654476 which is your alt on Damar's Account was causing this with YURI INTAKI also one of your other accounts in OICX and was seen doing so. This was not other militia it was YOU EXPLOITING A MECHANIC.

I dont mind ever damar that you have an issue with us and take it to CCP that is by all means your right to do so. I dont mind that you find out good tactics. I will openly admit you find some of the best ones out there. But why do you and BM persist to twist the facts and just flat out LIE about things is behond me.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#69 - 2012-04-20 15:12:57 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Damar is right though, it's taken years for CCP to fix the stupidest things about FW plexing mechanics. Many props to Damar for being so loud on the forums that the devs couldn't ignore him this time.


They certainly can, and they certainly will as long as this issue is discussed as this angry personal dispute between factions with accusations of CCP enforcement bias. Bickering back and forth for years has paints the issue as one that annoys a few dogmatic roleplayers locking horns, and not one that affects the militias as a whole and is worth serious development time.

This has to be dealt with rationally and from a mechanical standpoint, and sitting around saying "its always the other faction abusing this not me" and constantly challenging GM rulings gets the issue zero traction in terms of getting fixed.

If bickering over factional crap is more important that getting the bug fixed, by all means, everyone in here should keep at it. But those that care more about seeing the bug get fixed have got to learn to curb the finger pointing and discuss the issue itself, or get more of the community at large into threads like this one which have cropped up numerous times now. They always break down into bickering among the usual half dozen suspects, and are very likely continuing to be de-prioritized by CCP as a result.



You can go Hans Jagerblitzen to lick CCP devs asses freely, i do not care. But truth is that Gallente or minmatar could not face Caldari power on original rules , so ccp has to change things to make it possible for useless gallente to get systems back, even exploiting did not help them, CCP did help them to take systems back.

This is also funny that CCP made systems that there should be something to fight for 24/7 but now it is allowed to deny that, no matter what is way people prevent conquered plexes respawning is always exploit that prevent game mechanic to work as intended.
Dopified
Black Eagle5
#70 - 2012-04-20 15:51:41 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
You can go Hans Jagerblitzen to lick CCP devs asses freely, i do not care. But truth is that Gallente or minmatar could not face Caldari power on original rules , so ccp has to change things to make it possible for useless gallente to get systems back, even exploiting did not help them, CCP did help them to take systems back.

This is also funny that CCP made systems that there should be something to fight for 24/7 but now it is allowed to deny that, no matter what is way people prevent conquered plexes respawning is always exploit that prevent game mechanic to work as intended.


BM would you be refering to when DT was the only time that plex spawns happened and ever two hour increments only had scraps of plexes to be had. I understand how you might feel origional ways then but not much hope when the pervs all EU had DT covered and us US TZ players could not log on. How dare CCP give us a chance at anything. Again another laughable and utterly rediculus statement from you that has no evidence to support it and no bearing on the real issue

And now they real issue is being resolved by CCP Roll
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#71 - 2012-04-20 16:06:44 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:

They certainly can, and they certainly will as long as this issue is discussed as this angry personal dispute between factions with accusations of CCP enforcement bias. Bickering back and forth for years has paints the issue as one that annoys a few dogmatic roleplayers locking horns, and not one that affects the militias as a whole and is worth serious development time.
I'm glad he brought the issue up in an open forum, and saddened that, even though everybody agrees that getting rid of this stupid bug is a good idea, there is still much bickering to be had. Let's hope the GMs/Devs continue to place a high priority on fixing FW mechanics. I am looking forward to a relevant militia tab next week.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#72 - 2012-04-20 16:25:21 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:

They certainly can, and they certainly will as long as this issue is discussed as this angry personal dispute between factions with accusations of CCP enforcement bias. Bickering back and forth for years has paints the issue as one that annoys a few dogmatic roleplayers locking horns, and not one that affects the militias as a whole and is worth serious development time.
I'm glad he brought the issue up in an open forum, and saddened that, even though everybody agrees that getting rid of this stupid bug is a good idea, there is still much bickering to be had. Let's hope the GMs/Devs continue to place a high priority on fixing FW mechanics. I am looking forward to a relevant militia tab next week.


I am waiting for next FW expansion, with all old bugs and plenty of new ones to exploit, will be hilarious time ahead.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#73 - 2012-04-20 16:27:17 UTC
Dopified wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
You can go Hans Jagerblitzen to lick CCP devs asses freely, i do not care. But truth is that Gallente or minmatar could not face Caldari power on original rules , so ccp has to change things to make it possible for useless gallente to get systems back, even exploiting did not help them, CCP did help them to take systems back.

This is also funny that CCP made systems that there should be something to fight for 24/7 but now it is allowed to deny that, no matter what is way people prevent conquered plexes respawning is always exploit that prevent game mechanic to work as intended.


BM would you be refering to when DT was the only time that plex spawns happened and ever two hour increments only had scraps of plexes to be had. I understand how you might feel origional ways then but not much hope when the pervs all EU had DT covered and us US TZ players could not log on. How dare CCP give us a chance at anything. Again another laughable and utterly rediculus statement from you that has no evidence to support it and no bearing on the real issue

And now they real issue is being resolved by CCP Roll


CCP did not fix plex spawning, they broke whole FW to make sure Gallente will get some systems back.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#74 - 2012-04-20 16:49:11 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Let's hope the GMs/Devs continue to place a high priority on fixing FW mechanics. I am looking forward to a relevant militia tab next week.


Since your last attempt at Oicx failed you will call for 80 minmatar to help?
Heredom
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2012-04-20 17:14:03 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:

If bickering over factional crap is more important that getting the bug fixed, by all means, everyone in here should keep at it.


Suggestion: Faction Warfare forum channel to vent off trolls, bickers, distilled stuff. And FW more specific serious stuff, too, of course

Done, signature edited with perfection!...

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#76 - 2012-04-20 18:02:56 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Since your last attempt at Oicx failed you will call for 80 minmatar to help?
Excellent suggestion! I'll get Wex on the plex phone as soon as I log in.
praznimrak
Level Up
#77 - 2012-04-20 18:04:47 UTC  |  Edited by: praznimrak
First of all,sory for my crap english.

Now,the important part.

As some of you may know,i live in Oicx for last 3 year (if you want to shoot me,please drop by) and it is nice home sistem.

As i do ocasionly go for my 1 moonth eve break sometime i have nice suprise whan i come back finding out that some new guys did move in local and lot of fighting is to be done.But this time,once i returned,i did find out that sistem was switched to caldari control and Damar and his corp moved in,and i was hapy till i noticed something wierd.

I did try to retake sistem in 2 ocasions but didnt manage it cose of my gametime limitation,pirats,caldari militia and so,but next day whan i came back to try again i find out than there was no plexis at all in sistem.WIERD.So something suspicios was going on.

But after reading Damars post on forums,where he discus how tu bug a plex so it dose not respawn till next DT,i ask him personaly in local to stop doing it and he was told that his actions are gona be petitioned,he replayd childish saying he dont care,he is gona keep on doing it till CCP dose something,and in his personal opinion he was convinced that no reaction will come from CCP part.

After frapsing him buging the plex whit his gall alt,and provading lot of local chats log where he openli speak about his exploiting,he just got a warning from CCP and still write in here abouth suposed bug and his inocenc.Im not gona place his statment in here,but leme ashure you that he was intentionali using a bug to make game advantage over other players,avoid game mechanich and the way thay supose to work :All this actions are condiserd an EXPLOIT and not some inocent bug hapening ocasionly from time to time.

It is truth that CCP nead to fix this bug.But it dosent make a victim a guy who intentionaly EXPLOIT this bug for 2 weeks preventing me and other Gall militia members to plex in sistem and try to retake it ,by simply loging in after DT and using his gall alt to remove all plexis from sistem.

Im suprised to so CSM members posting in here and taking side in this mather whithout knowing what is actuali hapening in here.

EXPLOTER GOT WHAT HE DESERVED (not realy cose exploiting is =BAN in most of the escenarios)

So Damar stop posting lies and pretend to be the victim or i will have to bring some more intersting information abouth your activitis in Oicx.

Thx for reading and sory for bad english.
PRAZ

EDIT: Im shure CCP didnt ask you to publicli post the way you EXPLOIT is working,cose before you get warning from CCP you did keep it for yourself and now that you cant do it any more you are sharing it to involve more ppl into exploiting this bug so we take our ayes of you,but you are wrong.

You intentions are not good and you just made this game more exploitabel sharing you personal exploit on forums.SHAME ON YOU behaving as a small child.

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#78 - 2012-04-20 18:59:27 UTC
praznimrak wrote:
First of all,sory for my crap english.

Now,the important part.

As some of you may know,i live in Oicx for last 3 year (if you want to shoot me,please drop by) and it is nice home sistem.

As i do ocasionly go for my 1 moonth eve break sometime i have nice suprise whan i come back finding out that some new guys did move in local and lot of fighting is to be done.But this time,once i returned,i did find out that sistem was switched to caldari control and Damar and his corp moved in,and i was hapy till i noticed something wierd.

I did try to retake sistem in 2 ocasions but didnt manage it cose of my gametime limitation,pirats,caldari militia and so,but next day whan i came back to try again i find out than there was no plexis at all in sistem.WIERD.So something suspicios was going on.

But after reading Damars post on forums,where he discus how tu bug a plex so it dose not respawn till next DT,i ask him personaly in local to stop doing it and he was told that his actions are gona be petitioned,he replayd childish saying he dont care,he is gona keep on doing it till CCP dose something,and in his personal opinion he was convinced that no reaction will come from CCP part.

After frapsing him buging the plex whit his gall alt,and provading lot of local chats log where he openli speak about his exploiting,he just got a warning from CCP and still write in here abouth suposed bug and his inocenc.Im not gona place his statment in here,but leme ashure you that he was intentionali using a bug to make game advantage over other players,avoid game mechanich and the way thay supose to work :All this actions are condiserd an EXPLOIT and not some inocent bug hapening ocasionly from time to time.

It is truth that CCP nead to fix this bug.But it dosent make a victim a guy who intentionaly EXPLOIT this bug for 2 weeks preventing me and other Gall militia members to plex in sistem and try to retake it ,by simply loging in after DT and using his gall alt to remove all plexis from sistem.

Im suprised to so CSM members posting in here and taking side in this mather whithout knowing what is actuali hapening in here.

EXPLOTER GOT WHAT HE DESERVED (not realy cose exploiting is =BAN in most of the escenarios)

So Damar stop posting lies and pretend to be the victim or i will have to bring some more intersting information abouth your activitis in Oicx.

Thx for reading and sory for bad english.
PRAZ

EDIT: Im shure CCP didnt ask you to publicli post the way you EXPLOIT is working,cose before you get warning from CCP you did keep it for yourself and now that you cant do it any more you are sharing it to involve more ppl into exploiting this bug so we take our ayes of you,but you are wrong.

You intentions are not good and you just made this game more exploitabel sharing you personal exploit on forums.SHAME ON YOU behaving as a small child.


Yea, it is sad that now other than gallente can exploit this too Cry
k1llertrout
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2012-04-20 19:00:59 UTC
In b4 Damar crying as he always does. Oh wait, too late. My bad.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#80 - 2012-04-20 19:06:04 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
I am looking forward to a relevant militia tab next week.


We're getting a relevant militia tab next week? Do you have a source for this?

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary