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Faction Warfare timer bug and occupancy warfare

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Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#21 - 2012-04-19 17:26:02 UTC
I can tell you guys one thing though, if you want this to be resolved, name calling and saying that CCP constantly favors one side or another isn't going to get you very far.

Because of the limited contributors to this thread, and how heavily role play / faction based the discussion is, It looks far more like a personal beef between factional enemies than it does a FW community-wide issue. That doesn't mean this bug isn't real, or that it shouldnt be looked at, but the way its being discussed and the fact that very few people are discussing it works against a speedy resolution.

I'd highly recommend paring back the "Your side does this. No YOUR side does it more. No, YOUR SIDE DID IT FIRST" dialogue and get more people in here confirming that this is going on, that its interfering with normal gameplay, and that the player base as an entitiy seeks resolution of the matter. That will encourage CCP to look into fixing this more than anything else.



CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#22 - 2012-04-19 17:27:49 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
I can tell you guys one thing though, if you want this to be resolved, name calling and saying that CCP constantly favors one side or another isn't going to get you very far.


Truth must be silenced....
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#23 - 2012-04-19 17:45:03 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
I can tell you guys one thing though, if you want this to be resolved, name calling and saying that CCP constantly favors one side or another isn't going to get you very far.

Because of the limited contributors to this thread, and how heavily role play / faction based the discussion is, It looks far more like a personal beef between factional enemies than it does a FW community-wide issue. That doesn't mean this bug isn't real, or that it shouldnt be looked at, but the way its being discussed and the fact that very few people are discussing it works against a speedy resolution.

I'd highly recommend paring back the "Your side does this. No YOUR side does it more. No, YOUR SIDE DID IT FIRST" dialogue and get more people in here confirming that this is going on, that its interfering with normal gameplay, and that the player base as an entitiy seeks resolution of the matter. That will encourage CCP to look into fixing this more than anything else.





I can say that CCP and their customer support just does not treat all persons equally.

That has always been the case and will always be the case.

GM work is just random. Many Ex PERVS stopped playing EVE because simple petitions were time consuming bla bla, ten steps and then to senior GM who maybe managed to get it right usually not.

I am waiting how CCP will implement next expansion with even more complex mechanics. It must be hilarious exploiting with several bugs.
Heredom
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-04-19 18:16:59 UTC
Name calling, conspiracy theorization, biasing accusations and what-so will lead to nowhere.

Fact is that there is a bug, and it has been heavily used by some players that can't see themselves in disavantage and counter it with group work and strategy. If you (any of you, from whatever faction) got caught or not is also not the issue. Just live with it.

I've witnessed this bug being exploited several times, with the result being that this or that system can not be plexed back to the former faction occupancy, being locked to the exploiter faction due to plexesjust stop spawning in the time they were suppose to be.

Fix the bug, and warn/3rd strike ban exploiters until then. That would be all needed to be done.

Done, signature edited with perfection!...

Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#25 - 2012-04-19 18:33:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
Heredom wrote:
Name calling, conspiracy theorization, biasing accusations and what-so will lead to nowhere.

Fact is that there is a bug, and it has been heavily used by some players that can't see themselves in disavantage and counter it with group work and strategy. If you (any of you, from whatever faction) got caught or not is also not the issue. Just live with it.


Just whine that it's only Caldari doing it, come on, I know you want to and that's what you hint there. Because your side persistently maintains the bullshit that they have never done anything wrong. (Agoze, Pavanakka, Aivonen to name but a few), not to mention Chatgris and co. constantly using "lets have the timer run down by itself" bug. You might wish that nobody remembers events from 1-2 year away but I do.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#26 - 2012-04-19 18:37:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Bad Messenger
****** forums made double post
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#27 - 2012-04-19 18:38:21 UTC
Heredom wrote:
Name calling, conspiracy theorization, biasing accusations and what-so will lead to nowhere.

Fact is that there is a bug, and it has been heavily used by some players that can't see themselves in disavantage and counter it with group work and strategy. If you (any of you, from whatever faction) got caught or not is also not the issue. Just live with it.

I've witnessed this bug being exploited several times, with the result being that this or that system can not be plexed back to the former faction occupancy, being locked to the exploiter faction due to plexesjust stop spawning in the time they were suppose to be.

Fix the bug, and warn/3rd strike ban exploiters until then. That would be all needed to be done.



no wonder you have seen lot of exploiting, you are part of q-cats who are well known exploiters.

I truly hope you have petitioned every time those exploiters or CCP may ban you too.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#28 - 2012-04-19 18:42:37 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:


no wonder you have seen lot of exploiting, you are part of q-cats who are well known exploiters.

I truly hope you have petitioned every time those exploiters or CCP may ban you too.


Thats pretty rich lol.

And damar, not sure ive seen anyone deny anything. People here are just asking for a fix. This you must realise would stop both sides doing it lol.

So why so defensive? Stop with the persecution complex please.

If ccp deems it not working as intended and you continue to exploit it, then that is between you and ccp.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#29 - 2012-04-19 18:54:14 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:


no wonder you have seen lot of exploiting, you are part of q-cats who are well known exploiters.

I truly hope you have petitioned every time those exploiters or CCP may ban you too.


Thats pretty rich lol.

And damar, not sure ive seen anyone deny anything. People here are just asking for a fix. This you must realise would stop both sides doing it lol.

So why so defensive? Stop with the persecution complex please.

If ccp deems it not working as intended and you continue to exploit it, then that is between you and ccp.


We have been asking for a fix more than 2 years, but ccp has not seen any problem...
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#30 - 2012-04-19 19:35:09 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:


We have been asking for a fix more than 2 years, but ccp has not seen any problem...


Well now someone has explained it to them properly without sounding like an ass they have said it is an exploit. Shouldnt you be happy?
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#31 - 2012-04-19 19:53:21 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:


We have been asking for a fix more than 2 years, but ccp has not seen any problem...


Well now someone has explained it to them properly without sounding like an ass they have said it is an exploit. Shouldnt you be happy?


Exploit is exploit no matter how ass sounding you are. As i said, GMs does not treat players equally.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#32 - 2012-04-19 19:56:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
Heh heh, it seems now that gallentes are using their own alts and attempting to frame me for an exploiter:)

Val Erian and Black Onyx society at it, the usual stuff.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#33 - 2012-04-19 20:04:24 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Heh heh, it seems now that gallentes are using their own alts and attempting to frame me for an exploiter:)

Val Erian and Black Onyx society at it, the usual stuff.


Really? It would be a trivial thing for ccp to check ip addresses.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#34 - 2012-04-19 20:06:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Really? It would be a trivial thing for ccp to check ip addresses.


Nah, they are bugging timers when i'm in local and petitioning it by virtue of that. ie = I am in local and timer is bugged so it must be my fault. Too bad I saw their bugging alt leaving plex and local. Framing other person for exploiting. I think that is a fairly serious thing.
Dopified
Black Eagle5
#35 - 2012-04-19 20:11:29 UTC
Well this chat has turned into a pitty chat of who CCP favors and not that Damar actually EXPLOITED a game mechanic. Your exploit was none combatable meaning we could do nothing about it and you where not using your accounts to keep that going. You simply shut down a game mechanic and logged off. This would stay the same until a server Reset. As to what we did in agoze to put a person in a plex to delay it from closing is not the same. We used an account to keep a dead space open. This is perfectly legal. Damar and other militia would come in and kill the person or push them out. Thus it was combatable. Just the same as when Draketrain drew NPC aggro away from themselves in villore and dodixie. At the time it was combatable we just had to figure out how to do it. Thus not an exploit.

CCP did not choose sides where Damar or anyone else they saw an exploit and moved to stop it. As for ccp loving Gallente now that is just laughable.

1 Missions, Caldari solo lvl 4 missions with Manticores can gallente do that NO
2. Plexes. Caldari plexes are insane compared to Gallente ECM and MISSILE spam that are actually are hard to tank. FAIR?
3. Gallente ships compared to Caldari ships generally they suck, SLOW AND CLOSE RANGE.

Please feel free next time to actually Post up eveidence of your accusations and not just say crap that comes out as trying to twist what the real matter is here.

YOU GOT CAUGHT EXPLOITING. and we brought ACTUAL evidence to CCP for it.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#36 - 2012-04-19 20:13:27 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Really? It would be a trivial thing for ccp to check ip addresses.


Nah, they are bugging timers when i'm in local and petitioning it by virtue of that. ie = I am in local and timer is bugged so it must be my fault. Too bad I saw their bugging alt leaving plex and local. Framing other person for exploiting. I think that is a fairly serious thing.


That sounds like the sort of plan you would make up damar. Well, since you made it up that does make sense.

Val would have to be stupid to think that ccp would not check ip's. You would have to be stupid to think that is what he is doing.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#37 - 2012-04-19 20:16:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
Dopified wrote:
As to what we did in agoze to put a person in a plex to delay it from closing is not the same. We used an account to keep a dead space open.


Nice to admit you did but there is still nothing that can be done about the fact that cloaker is inside a plex as end result is the same = no occupancy warfare. Does not matter if you keep account for it either, those are easy to run with buddy programs, etc. And you did the same in Aivonen, etc. and we even gave some proof to CCP but naturally, no action.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#38 - 2012-04-19 20:17:15 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Val would have to be stupid to think that ccp would not check ip's. You would have to be stupid to think that is what he is doing.


Goes to show you have no clue how this bug actually operates...
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#39 - 2012-04-19 20:18:17 UTC
*SIGH*

/emote facepalms

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Dopified
Black Eagle5
#40 - 2012-04-19 20:18:30 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Dopified wrote:
As to what we did in agoze to put a person in a plex to delay it from closing is not the same. We used an account to keep a dead space open.


Nice to admit you did but there is still nothing that can be done about the fact that cloaker is inside a plex. Does not matter if you keep account for it either, those are easy to run with buddy programs, etc. And you did the same in Aivonen, etc. and even gave some proof to CCP but naturally, no action.


I never used a Cloaky nor did i tell anyone ever to use one. If you can bring up evidence of how was the cloaky that would be good. But still using an account to keep it open NOT SHUTTING DOWN GAME MECHANICS. So legal just the same as repping a drone in space to pull aggro off.