Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ok your idea has been used a thousand times. So once again... no.

Try this.

Your cloak is something designed to bend light around you so you look like you are invisible. Light is energy. Radio waves are also energy.

SO WHY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH WOULD YOU KEEP YOUR F***ING COMMS RADIO ON WHEN YOU'RE CLOAKED?!?!? In the military we call it noise and light discipline.

Removing local would be a bad idea. But you know how when you jump into a new system you are already temp cloaked? Well when you move or sit there too long or turn on your own cloak, you are visible. When you are cloaked you should disappear from local. When you are uncloaked you show back up on local. Even for that brief second while transitioning between temp cloak and your cloak.

This presents another problem though. Now you have a whole bunch of people cloaked up in local and noone is on local. You have no idea anyone is there. Hmm...

[green]Well; make it "optional".[/green}

The chat window is like a communications radio. When you cloak you should turn off your radio.

Think about it with physics.

Anything that is bending light energy is going to catch some interference and get a little fuzzy and shimmery when a large burst of radio waves is being blasted through it backwards. So make it so that when you cloak up you also click another button right next to it to "turn off your comms". Your chat window gets minimized, and your scan signature is reduced to normal cloaky levels... zero.

You will be immediately removed from local, and your icon will show up as faded in any other chat rooms you are joined to so your friends will know you are in silent running/cloaked mode. You can still receive messages in the chat window you just won't be able to chat out unless you turn on your comms system. And it will be an on/off system too; no waiting for something to warm up or boot up or some other such nonsense.

Once you turn it on again while you are cloaked you will show up in local again, and be able to "transmit" on all "frequencies" (chat rooms). Your scan signature will also go up a few points and your shields will shimmer slightly; kind of like when you turn on the microwave near an old school tv and get that snowy effect.

No changes will happen to the cloak itself. You will still be completely invisible and untargetable. There will be no doofy scan probes or decloaking devices that will completely negate cloaking all together. You wil simply be SLIGHTLY shiny for a few seconds while you call in your buddies.

This will make it so that a cloaker could be POTENTIALLY scanned down if he were stupid enough to leave his "radio" on too long, and in the case of the [red]"Oh my GOD it's an AFK CLOAKER (oh boohoo)...[/red]

Seeing as how AFK means... AWAY FROM THE FU**ING KEYBOARD DIP SH**!!!...

Which means they can't hurt anyone even themselves no matter how you say it or look at it...

AFK cloaker "problem" solved because you don't even know they are there (because they really aren't anyway) because you can't see them on local until they turn on their comms system again to call their buddies in to bust you up.

I see there is a lot of emotion against cloakers circling around.

On the idea to simply remove the cloaker from local. While this appears to be a solution against cloakers, the one with the cyno in the Haven (or similar) waiting afk for a ship won't be affected. Basically any cloaker aiming for destruction/interruption instead of intel doesn't really care about local. And in worst case even an intel cloaker could simply decloak, screenshot, recloak every minute and he has all the intel he wants. I don't think this would solve any issue except for making intel cloaking slightly more annoying.

@SGT FUNYOUN: I don't see why in a fictional game something should be technically impossible. I don't think something like "ionized Particles" can be send throughout a solar system anyways, but Eve is fiction and if CCP wants, they can just invent a fictional device that can just do exactly that.

In general my idea did not aim for making cloaking impossible or severely disrupt it, but to have a tool against those who are cloaking afk and only those. I am completely fine (in terms of game mechanics) if an active player scouts through a system cloaked and probably even hot-drops me with a cyno. The 24/7 afk cloaker however ruins the motivation for new 0.0 players to stay there as the gain in terms of ISK is only slightly better (unless you are in a really lucrative system, but you probably won't get that the first time you go to 0.0), but the risk is far greater.

Now while new players need to learn pvp and need to learn how to defend against "reds" jumping in and causing havoc, there is nothing that can be actively done against an afk cloaker. And until he takes the bait, the whole system cannot be used for anything. And honestly: not everyone has the time to play Eve 10h a day just to clear their 0.0 space of cloakers with a bait. And if you are lucky to actually catch them, there is a good chance that the next afk cloaker will be in your system the next day.

You missed the part about the delay in being able to light a cyno when uncloaking. Say the guy in the Haven uncloaks. If you're not botting, or maybe even if you are, you now have perhaps a 30 second or so delay before he can light the cyno. How you chose to react or defend against it at that point is up to you, but you have time.



This has been established.

Actually, comms in eve are done through paired atoms, meaning they communicate directly to the concord database that administers communications. That is why you can see everyone in local, because it is a list that concord keeps on every system at all times.

Seems appropriate since they can't actively do anything to you.

Your idea is bad for a very simple reason: it's trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist (or, if you like, you're trying to fix a problem within you by “fixing” someone else).

eve is trying to hard to explain why things work...in other words being too realistic (if that is possible)

just make cloak have time limit...like 20 mins and you have another meter that is slowly decreasing..
and cloaking and uncloaking make it take time like 30 secs if you uncloak and try to recloak....would give people enough time to try to find you at least

*Normal troll speak*

-1 You don't fix what is not broken. It ends up like my old Tv. broken and useless.

no more emotional reactions in forums about afk cloakers! they won't see them.. and as far and making things "easier for the cloaker" remember that no cloak local makes things harder for the cloaked ganker as well. since he doesn't know who is cloaked and sitting waiting to help set a trap for him. the bottom line is you can do nothing while cloaked but watch... to do anything active you have to decloak and deal with time delays... even setting out probes (which can't be cloaked) to scan for targets requires decloak, and then the probes are a dead giveaway someone is serach for you.

Removing cloaked from local is the best idea all the way around. The alternative idea that is next nearest is "do nothing".

Every time you're docked up in a station and afk I can't do anything about it. I can't get the kill, I never know when or if you'll undock. They need something to ejects people from stations that have been afk for too long.

This tbh. CCP Implement uncloak cyno delay please.




Read the part about cyno delay. This makes it harder for bridged recons/t3 to gank hulks.